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May 22 2023 02:40pm
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As long as you're willing to accept a fetus without a head as "human life" then that's fine.

I wouldn't, but that's because I'm searching for a useful definition.


It's still human life, albeit a hugely deformed human.

Whether an entity is human life is not determined by whether it has a head or consciousness.
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May 22 2023 02:43pm
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Human life that spontaneously aborts or dies pre-birth was still human life.

It was human life that was, unfortunately, severely defective such that the life could never make it to birth & viability. That is a tragedy, but it was human life nonetheless.


Then that's pretty useless to any discussion. Being "human life" doesn't mean it can't be aborted, or has any rights, or has any future potential, etc. etc.
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May 22 2023 02:46pm
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Then that's pretty useless to any discussion. Being "human life" doesn't mean it can't be aborted, or has any rights, or has any future potential, etc. etc.


Those are all separate discussions.

The discussion at hand is "when does human life begin?" which has a very simple, physically proven, answer.

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May 22 2023 02:51pm
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Those are all separate discussions.

The discussion at hand is "when does human life begin?" which has a very simple, physically proven, answer.


If we are going to define when human life begins, it should be in the context of a discussion where that is an important factor. Such as how "motor vehicle" is defined dozens of times in the legal code depending on which law you are talking about.

There is no such thing as an objective definition, they are all context-dependent.
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May 22 2023 02:55pm
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If we are going to define when human life begins, it should be in the context of a discussion where that is an important factor. Such as how "motor vehicle" is defined dozens of times in the legal code depending on which law you are talking about.

There is no such thing as an objective definition, they are all context-dependent.


This is false, ALL of physical science is based on objective definitions. What you said is an idea of Marxism, which is in the dustbin of history for good reason.
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May 22 2023 02:55pm
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If we are going to define when human life begins, it should be in the context of a discussion where that is an important factor.


It *is* an important factor in the context of this discussion. Now kindly answer when you think human life begins instead of weaseling out again.
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May 22 2023 03:01pm
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This is false, ALL of physical science is based on objective definitions. What you said is an idea of Marxism, which is in the dustbin of history for good reason.


Tell me you've never done research without telling me you've never done research.

You always define your important terms within the paper. It's why introductions are a thing in research, so you can reference what you're talking about and define terms.
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May 22 2023 03:04pm
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Tell me you've never done research without telling me you've never done research.

You always define your important terms within the paper. It's why introductions are a thing in research, so you can reference what you're talking about and define terms.


You said that definitions aren't set in stone and can vary depending on the context. I sort of agree with this, however for most of the time, if you ask any regular person, they usually can agree on a pretty similar definition. For example, if you ask them about the definition of human life, I am pretty sure you won't get an answer such as, " a human is an entity that has feline DNA".
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May 22 2023 04:21pm
Op could clarify the question so that people in this thread won't have to debate semantics of terms.

It's always hilarious when words are used and people extrapolate their own meanings out if them.

You could write a question about origins of life and 120 pages later be discussing who is more powerful Spiderman or Batman.
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May 22 2023 09:30pm
Quote (El1te @ May 23 2023 06:46am)
Those are all separate discussions.

The discussion at hand is "when does human life begin?" which has a very simple, physically proven, answer.


No the discussion at hand is when does it happen biblically and how do christians justify their contradictory stance on this issue, genesis states life starts at first breath when the soul inhabits the body.

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