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May 9 2023 12:51pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 9 2023 01:49pm)
in a debate forum using words like "cringe" or "beta" are objectively weak. they're just used to avoid arguments without a counterargument. if u pulled that on a debate stage you'd get zero points for your weak effort.


We aren't on a debate stage. We are on the internet.

Specifically a forum you know neither of us are taking particularly seriously.
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Quote (El1te @ May 9 2023 01:50pm)
Indeed it does

But who is the one hiding from reality here?


Probably the one who asked a question that was answered in the two sentences he quoted.

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May 9 2023 12:56pm
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We aren't on a debate stage. We are on the internet.

Specifically a forum you know neither of us are taking particularly seriously.


a debate is a context in which calling someone's words "weak" are neither objectively hostile nor rude.

but to be honest this thread reads like a call for help (see cuffs response) and elite sounded like he was trying to make you less depressed, because the OP reads like Iam14andThisIsDeep nihilist doodoo.
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May 9 2023 01:02pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 9 2023 01:56pm)
a debate is a context in which calling someone's words "weak" are neither objectively hostile nor rude.

but to be honest this thread reads like a call for help (see cuffs response) and elite sounded like he was trying to make you less depressed, because the OP reads like Iam14andThisIsDeep nihilist doodoo.


Preaching is never a genuine attempt to help or engage. It's a performance.

You should have learned that a long time ago.
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May 9 2023 01:03pm
Quote (El1te @ May 9 2023 11:49am)
It's a good question, in my view nothing changes, God's moral code is universal and would apply to all sentient life, now specifics also would depend on the lifeform itself, e.g. animals are sentient life but are not made in the image of God like humans are

I do believe there is life outside our solar system, although I also believe it is moot because I don't believe we will ever have the capacity for interstellar travel


And if that intelligent life were to have either a completely atheistic worldview, or even a belief in an entire separate religion from anything envisioned on Earth, how can that be reconciled given that Christianity (as far as I'm aware) is a strongly helio (edit: meant 'geocentric') and anthro-centric religion.

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Preaching is never a genuine attempt to help or engage. It's a performance.

You should have learned that a long time ago.


I've encountered both types. surely more of the performers, but plenty of genuine ones too. debate however is rarely genuine.
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And if that intelligent life were to have either a completely atheistic worldview, or even a belief in an entire separate religion from anything envisioned on Earth, how can that be reconciled given that Christianity (as far as I'm aware) is a strongly helio and anthro-centric religion.


I wouldn't get too deep into hypotheticals - how could we ever know their beliefs if we have no ability to communicate?

Different religions across the world have already been reconciled with Christianity, as every religion has the same fundamental moral principles that transcend understanding. It was the Roman's who first recognized this with the "Interpretatio Romana" where they reconciled their Pantheon with the Pantheons of other cultures. So, if we miraculously did have the ability to communicate with them, their religion could certainly be reconciled.

Christianity is in fact not a heliocentric religion, it is a universal religion. In fact, it is strictly ANTI-helios - The Celtic Cross, which superimposes the Cross on top of the Nimbus (the Sun), symbolizes Christ's supremacy over the sun. It is anthrocentric though.
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May 9 2023 01:10pm
To add - Pagan religions were typically all helio-centric. Abrahamic religions have always denounced this
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May 9 2023 01:11pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 9 May 2023 13:55)
This is easily the most cringe response in this thread so far.


touch grass maybe idk what to tell you

the real world is nothing like what you see on tv or the computer screen
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Quote (El1te @ May 9 2023 12:09pm)
I wouldn't get too deep into hypotheticals - how could we ever know their beliefs if we have no ability to communicate?

Different religions across the world have already been reconciled with Christianity, as every religion has the same fundamental moral principles that transcend understanding. It was the Roman's who first recognized this with the "Interpretatio Romana" where they reconciled their Pantheon with the Pantheons of other cultures. So, if we miraculously did have the ability to communicate with them, their religion could certainly be reconciled.

Christianity is in fact not a heliocentric religion, it is a universal religion. In fact, it is strictly ANTI-helios - The Celtic Cross, which superimposes the Cross on top of the Nimbus (the Sun), symbolizes Christ's supremacy over the sun. It is anthrocentric though.


I meant to say geocentric, in that it is uniquely an Earth/Human phenomenon, and irrespective of ability to communicate it is profoundly unlikely that an extraterrestrial, intelligent life would have any conceptualization of a Judeo-Christian religion when uncontacted tribes within our own species fall into the same category.
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