Quote (addone @ Apr 16 2023 04:49pm)

I got a better solution. Defendants on death row pay out of their own pocket to defend themselves, set up a go fund me campaign if they think they are innocent. There no more burden on the tax payer and those that really sympathise can pay.
Once the guilty realise it won't be that easy to defend themselves and no ability to abuse the law then it will be much cheaper and faster.

Because at the moment we are forced to pay for people who deserve the needle to extend and exploit the legal system.
Death penalty isn't the issue like so many leftoids screaming about. Its the fact that it costs more money to come to the same verdict. That's the real crime.



You are skipping around the reason why death penalty exists in the first place. It's the highest form of punishment. Remove the death penalty and criminals are less afraid. Just look at all the blm looters who grab billions worth of products and property damage while bystanders just watch and take pictures. Have we not seen crime go up exponentially in cities with the Defund the police campaigns the woke tried to instill?

My argument still holds because having tougher laws insures less crimes committed and therefore less costs to the taxpayer. Would you rather pay $10million in tax for one case or $100million for 100 cases @ $1m each?
Leftoids are sitting on the decision panels and purposefully siderailling the process to incur more taxpayers money. Oh look we just spend a lot of money to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond shadow of a doubt. Let's instead of voting to put them to sleep and end this case let's instead give them life and further spend additional millions to keep them locked up. Then we can brag about how death penalty statistics cost more money by being directly responsible for those very costs.

This bill will reduce the costs dramatically while preserving tougher laws.

BTW I too would like to see this law be made redundant but there is a lot of crime in US that need tougher laws so while crude and maybe barbaric it is necessary for the forseable future.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 16 2023 04:08pm)

:huh: opposition to the death penalty is not religious in nature

Quote (El1te @ Apr 17 2023 02:03pm)

It's a principle with its roots in Catholicism. There was no such notion of opposition to a death penalty whatsoever before the Catholic church studied it and came to that conclusion.

Quote (El1te @ Apr 16 2023 11:03pm)

It's a principle with its roots in Catholicism. There was no such notion of opposition to a death penalty whatsoever before the Catholic church studied it and came to that conclusion.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 16 2023 09:39pm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_the_Papal_States
Here is a list of people executed BY the catholic church, i hope you have a sturdy scroll wheel, this list is not all encompassing and probably missed a few thousand.

Quote (El1te @ Apr 16 2023 03:39pm)

It largely no longer exists in Christian advanced countries, not advanced countries in general such as Saudi Arabia and as you pointed out, Japan

Opposition to capital punishment is a religious idea, specifically a Christian one

Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 17 2023 02:41pm)

yes the superior highly empathetic Catholic church..
who are these trolls.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 17 2023 12:54pm)

It's not a deterrent, and you'd know that just from a simple search:

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states

Quote (addone @ Apr 17 2023 12:12am)

That doesn't tell you crime rates before and after. Those states could have had historically lower crime rates and or due to other factors.
If taking away death penalty reduced crime rate then everyone would be doing it. Most of the non death penalty countries got away with it because it became redundant and or the minute percentage of cases where it was not worth the hassle.

Most violent crime goes away when economic factors improve along with access to healthcare and education on top of that. It's basically a universally agreed concept. Harsher punishments do work when they are felt this has been trained into our brain like pavlov's dogs. Most researchers would tell you it doesn't but those usually don't account for the coushy accommodation you get, 3 square meals a day and peace and quiet. Some places people commit crimes just to get into jail because life is easier on the inside. Death row inmates are having a laugh as they get to basically play the system and not have to worry about ever getting the needle because they know the system is too soft. Hard core criminals go to jail just to hang out with their family and friends or for education. There is no sting in the punishment any more, there is no smelly rotten dungeon where you are locked for months without seeing the sky. There is no more weekly hanging at town square , no one is chopping fingers for theft. Gone are the days where you were marked with iron for others to see that you were a criminal. There is no public humiliations where they walk the streets and people spit in your face.

Bet you things would improve over night if 1/2 those are brought back

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2023 05:19pm)

There is literally no evidence anywhere that the death penalty reduces crime.

England used to execute 10 year olds for stealing cups. It didn't reduce crime.

You're making a bunch of claims that you would know better than to make if you bothered spending 10 minutes on Google.