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Apr 5 2023 05:44am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 04:21am)
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In what upside down world do the contents of this email match the bullshit you are claiming?


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Apr 5 2023 05:45am
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Honestly it's hilarious to read Trumpshill's characterization of the Oval Office conversation and the reality of it.

Obama opens that he's trying to be sure the team doesn't do anything improper, but if the incoming National Security Adviser is a Russian agent, DONT SHARE INFORMATION. They had intelligence information that Trump, or anybody else, did not have. So Obama was just doing due diligence.

Those officials did not ask Flynn to compromise himself... he did it willingly. Thus, he was scrutinized.


So you’re saying Obama knew Flynn was a Russian agent and chose not to tell the incoming administration. Obama should be charged for treason then as he is the closest thing to a Russian asset.
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Apr 5 2023 05:46am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 07:21am)
https://i.imgur.com/vdAzGRn.png

In what upside down world do the contents of this email match the bullshit you are claiming?


Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 07:30am)
Honestly it's hilarious to read Trumpshill's characterization of the Oval Office conversation and the reality of it.

Obama opens that he's trying to be sure the team doesn't do anything improper, but if the incoming National Security Adviser is a Russian agent, DONT SHARE INFORMATION. They had intelligence information that Trump, or anybody else, did not have. So Obama was just doing due diligence.

Those officials did not ask Flynn to compromise himself... he did it willingly. Thus, he was scrutinized.


Let's also acknowledge something:
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2023 03:45am)
We spent several years of the Crossfire Hurricane campaign being told it had nothing to do with Obama or Biden and was entirely the product of apolitical actors in the DoJ. We saw their obvious political affiliations and motivations and conspiracies at face value, but only much later did we learn Obama just straight up hosted Comey & Yates & co in the oval office with Biden present (on January 5th, 2017), just to give express permission to go ahead with trying to persecute Trump.


Obama expressing concern about giving sensitive national security information to Mike Flynn, a man who they reasonably believed could be compromised by Russian intelligence, somehow turns into "giving permission to persecute Trump".

That makes no sense at all.

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Trumpshill's narratives all fall apart under scrutiny. People who believe what he posts are rubes.

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 5 2023 05:48am
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Apr 5 2023 05:48am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 06:30am)
Honestly it's hilarious to read Trumpshill's characterization of the Oval Office conversation and the reality of it.

Obama opens that he's trying to be sure the team doesn't do anything improper, but if the incoming National Security Adviser is a Russian agent, DONT SHARE INFORMATION. They had intelligence information that Trump, or anybody else, did not have. So Obama was just doing due diligence.

Those officials did not ask Flynn to compromise himself... he did it willingly. Thus, he was scrutinized.


For several years of the Crossfire Hurricane scandal the official line was that Obama/Biden had no involvement at all. We only find out that Comey/Yates/Obama/Biden all had a sit down to discuss Flynn and the russia investigation and 'initiating anything' from an email that Susan Rice sent herself. That whole totally innocent thing where a top level official decides to keep a timestamped record of a secret meeting that never happened in order to attest that they did absolutely nothing wrong in it and vowed to only follow the book with due diligence



Two weeks after that meeting Comey orchestrated a setup on Flynn, intentionally trying to trap him into lying to FBI agents he sent specifically to ask about something secret that Comey already knew he couldn't talk about, but that Comey already knew about by wiretapping Flynn. And then immediately turned around and tried to use that to prosecute him. C'mon Icemage, even you have to admit that wasn't just some random conversation between officials, Comey set it up explicitly for the purpose of entrapping Flynn, and they said as much in their notes of the encounter.
I'm also happy to refresh your memory on the physical evidence in that case, we have E.W. Priestap's notes from the meeting where he wrote:

“What is our goal?” Priestap wrote in the notes. “Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”

seriously what do you want, for Obama to dance naked in front of you wearing a billboard that reads "I told them to do it"?
Why do you think Susan Rice was keeping this incredibly conspicuous and non-organic email record of that meeting? What could have transpired in front of her, that she felt the need to keep a note that would try to cover their asses in case this meeting ever came to light? Why did Comey & McCabe and Strzok and Yates and their wings of the DoJ/FBI spend the next year trying desperately to leak everything they could do the media, spy on political opponents, fabricate evidence when they couldn't find any dirt, lie to judges, lie to the public, lie to congressmen, and replace 'intraagency cooperation' with 'siege mentality'? Didn't Obama tell them to do it by the book? Wasn't aware "by the book" included personally leaking stories to the WSJ and spying on political rivals

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Apr 5 2023 05:50am
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So you’re saying Obama knew Flynn was a Russian agent and chose not to tell the incoming administration. Obama should be charged for treason then as he is the closest thing to a Russian asset.


Obama told Trump in their first meeting that he shouldn't hire Mike Flynn. That's been reported for years.
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Apr 5 2023 05:53am
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Obama told Trump in their first meeting that he shouldn't hire Mike Flynn. That's been reported for years.


Did he tell him why he shouldn’t hire Flynn?
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Apr 5 2023 05:56am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2023 07:48am)
For several years of the Crossfire Hurricane scandal the official line was that Obama/Biden had no involvement at all. We only find out that Comey/Yates/Obama/Biden all had a sit down to discuss Flynn and the russia investigation and 'initiating anything' from an email that Susan Rice sent herself. That whole totally innocent thing where a top level official decides to keep a timestamped record of a secret meeting that never happened in order to attest that they did absolutely nothing wrong in it and vowed to only follow the book with due diligence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyvzU4n0LUQ

Two weeks after that meeting Comey orchestrated a setup on Flynn, intentionally trying to trap him into lying to FBI agents he sent specifically to ask about something secret that Comey already knew he couldn't talk about, but that Comey already knew about by wiretapping Flynn. And then immediately turned around and tried to use that to prosecute him. C'mon Icemage, even you have to admit that wasn't just some random conversation between officials, Comey set it up explicitly for the purpose of entrapping Flynn, and they said as much in their notes of the encounter.
I'm also happy to refresh your memory on the physical evidence in that case, we have E.W. Priestap's notes from the meeting where he wrote:

“What is our goal?” Priestap wrote in the notes. “Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”

seriously what do you want, for Obama to dance naked in front of you wearing a billboard that reads "I told them to do it"?
Why do you think Susan Rice was keeping this incredibly conspicuous and non-organic email record of that meeting? What could have transpired in front of her, that she felt the need to keep a note that would try to cover their asses in case this meeting ever came to light? Why did Comey & McCabe and Strzok and Yates and their wings of the DoJ/FBI spend the next year trying desperately to leak everything they could do the media, spy on political opponents, fabricate evidence when they couldn't find any dirt, lie to judges, lie to the public, lie to congressmen, and replace 'intraagency cooperation' with 'siege mentality'? Didn't Obama tell them to do it by the book? Wasn't aware "by the book" included personally leaking stories to the WSJ and spying on political rivals


This is someone who has been called out on spouting nonsense, and in turn, spouts more nonsense. If you can acknowledge you lied about your previous post, we can move forward in the conversation. I don't engage with completely immoral actors.
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Apr 5 2023 05:59am
Notice the response though. The response to an accusation against Obama and Biden of corruption is not a list of facts, it's a ridiculous narrative that quickly falls apart under scrutiny.
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Apr 5 2023 06:00am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 06:50am)
Obama told Trump in their first meeting that he shouldn't hire Mike Flynn. That's been reported for years.


How very compelling it would have been if Obama had followed up by saying "I don't think you should trust Flynn because he's secretly doing that stuff you asked him to do, and we know about it because we're spying on you"

Obama was secretly weaponizing the levers of government against his political rivals, Trump was secretly trying to calm international tensions.
This kind of palace intrigue has been so poisonous to our democracy and now we're slipping down the slopes on both sides of that issue, we've got Democrats trying desperately to wield their prosecutorial powers against Trump to stop him from being reelected and we're on the brink of thermonuclear war with Russia thanks to their anti-diplomacy.
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Apr 5 2023 06:03am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 5 2023 06:56am)
This is someone who has been called out on spouting nonsense, and in turn, spouts more nonsense. If you can acknowledge you lied about your previous post, we can move forward in the conversation. I don't engage with completely immoral actors.


You just said, and let me quote you from one page ago:

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Those officials did not ask Flynn to compromise himself... he did it willingly. Thus, he was scrutinized.


And from Priestaps notes we have on paper:

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“What’s our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” reads the note, written by the FBI’s then-director of counterintelligence. “If we get him to admit to breaking the Logan Act, give facts to DOJ & have them decide. Or, if he initially lies, then we present him [redacted] & he admits it, document for DOJ, & let them decide how to address it.”


They literally wrote down the fact that they were trying to set him up.
Getting every little detail of this storyline shouldn't be like pulling teeth

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 5 2023 06:05am
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