So when I say that the only case of "Americans" providing smallpox blankets that's recorded in history is the British Army...

I, as an American, an ENEMY of the British Army, am responsible for their actions?

Thanks for clarifying, genius.

don't expect that kind of nuance from people who are hell bent on blaming biden for the mess that a republican president created in the first place, and the messy exit that another republican president just recently claimed he forced biden to commit to. those people, who uncritically defended whatever their bumbling and completely incompetent god emperor did foreign policy wise, will now act like middle east experts because it's politically convenient to them. hacks are gonna hack...

So when did I say that just explaining is enough to take responsibility?

Dumbass

Dumbass.

Doesn't say what you're claiming lol

You can explain reasons and still not take responsibility. All I said is that you can explain while taking responsibility. Not that you have to do both.

yeah sure, biden just had months to prepare for this and then turned it into a chaotic rout endangering the lives of soldiers, civilian personnel and at the expense of local helpers

totally trumps fault

the trump derangement syndrome is real



my god, thats literally our retard level of incompetence

our foreign minister ignored the calls of his own people in kabul for days, merkel was laughing at some stupid movie premiere and our minister of defence was at home baking pizza, while german citizens and afghan helpers are fearing for their lives

heiko maas (foreign minister) even lied about whats happening there

he claimed that he ordered embassy personnel evacuated, however in reality US helicopters RESCUED them last minute

its just ridiclous man

Biden spent large parts of his statement on Afghanistan going into detail why all the other parties involved have failed, while simultaneously leaving out any introspection or details of how he personally failed. An "I should not have listened to the intelligence community and defense experts who downplayed the risks of our withdrawal" would have gone a long way.

Effectively, he said "I am the President and commander-in-chief, so everything that happens is my responsibility", the implication being "... even if I personally did nothing wrong".

I like the fact that he voted towards invasion in the first place.

Biden is shit on this subject.

Note that excellence, Johnny, myself and others in this thread have all agreed that the decision to disengage from Afghanistan was the correct one; that the execution but not the underlying decision is what turned into an unmitigated disaster.

And when it comes to this botched execution, it's really not possible to blame Trump for that. If Trump had left Biden a bad plan on how to get out of Afghanistan, Biden had 7 months to fix it. If the Biden admin is competent, that's more than enough time to correct any flaws or holes in Trump's plan.






Big difference is that Germany has always had a laughable, feeble foreign policy. Presumably because we know too well that the rest of the world has zero appetite for Germany to pursue ruthless power politics or to have the ability to project military power abroad...

But expectations are a lot higher for the leading nation of NATO and the free world...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 18 2021 05:04pm

it's so funny that people who uncritically backed trump for not only making far reaching decisions without consulting US allies (long standing allies that he openly attacked btw, while embracing authoritarian regimes), but even against foreign policy advisors' and diplomats' warnings, all of a sudden pretend to care about such issues.

for the record, that IS indeed unacceptable if true, it's a massive blunder (certainly not the only one biden is directly to blame for), and he most definitely deserves criticism for it - but trump supporters clutching their pearls need to shut up immediately. they have lost every right to criticise ANYONE for shitty foreign policy and "retard level of incompetence". are they genuinely so dumb that they think people don't remember the kind of incompetence and insanity they supported? mindblowing hypocrisy from the right again...