Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Aug 2021 00:45)

Imho, it's for the better that the GOP forced the $1trillion infrastructure bill to focus on "core infracstructure" (e.g. roads and bridges) while leaving out what Democrats misleadingly frame as "human infrastructure" (e.g. health care, racial inequality). If they want to pass a bill to address these issues - or climate change - then they should try to find electoral majorities for these policies based on their own merit. Holding popular and long overdue investment into physical infrastructure hostage to advance liberal priorities would have be bad for the political culture and result in lots of bad policies.

Quote (fender @ Aug 17 2021 07:46pm)

funny how republicans always claim they are totally not racist, and that they absolutely care about healthcare and climate change, but when it comes to funding those things, they suddenly become just "liberal pork", lol.

if you want to see ACTUAL "pork", just look at the republican covid relief bill. holy mother of hypocrisy, lol. what their donors don't want, republicans will fight tooth and nail against - and braindead hacks like you buy into it hook, line, and sinker...

Quote (fender @ 18 Aug 2021 01:46)

funny how republicans always claim they are totally not racist, and that they absolutely care about healthcare and climate change, but when it comes to funding those things, they suddenly become just "liberal pork", lol.

if you want to see ACTUAL "pork", just look at the republican covid relief bill. holy mother of hypocrisy, lol. what their donors don't want, republicans will fight tooth and nail against - and braindead hacks like you buy into it hook, line, and sinker...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 17 2021 08:04pm)

Liberals are not the lone authority on what constitutes racism or which policies are good for healthcare and climate change. Liberals, aided by their allies in the media, are always trying to set the rules of the debate in their favor and achieve sovereignty over the public/political discourse. I'm having none of that. Opposing specific Democratic policy proposals does neither automatically imply disinterest in these issues nor bad faith.


Your point about Republican politicians doing what their donors want, while technically correct, would be a lot more convincing if you had the self-awareness to realize that Democratic lawmakers are doing the exact same thing for their respective donors when they're drafting bills or voting GOP bills down.

Quote (thundercock @ Aug 17 2021 06:14pm)

I don't think we're getting NEW railroads (nor should we except maybe Los Angeles to Vegas). This is simply maintenance. Anyway, the only reason I even have a sub to the NYT is because Nate Cohn (head of the Upshot) does REALLY good work. The graphic shows just how much the Dems had to give up in order to get this done. There's a reason why McConnell voted yes and it's because the GOP won with this.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Aug 2021 02:04)

Liberals are not the lone authority on what constitutes racism or which policies are good for healthcare and climate change. Liberals, aided by their allies in the media, are always trying to set the rules of the debate in their favor and achieve sovereignty over the public/political discourse. I'm having none of that. Opposing specific Democratic policy proposals does neither automatically imply disinterest in these issues nor bad faith.


Your point about Republican politicians doing what their donors want, while technically correct, would be a lot more convincing if you had the self-awareness to realize that Democratic lawmakers are doing the exact same thing for their respective donors when they're drafting bills or voting GOP bills down.

Quote (fender @ 18 Aug 2021 02:55)

you know that your bothsidesism is a false equivalence. you know that i reject the corrupt democrat establishment.

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either you care about those issues, or you think they are "liberal pork" and make excuses for not funding them adequately. you're simply not a serious or honest person, that's all there is to it...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Aug 2021 21:34)

Oh please... you literally wrote "what their donors don't want, republicans will fight tooth and nail against [...] hook, line, and sinker", as if this observation was a big revelation and as if Democrats didn't do the same thing. :rofl:
So spare me with your phony accusation of bothsidesism just because you overplayed your argument, didn't deliver your point with the necessary nuance and I called you out on it.



Not funding inadequate, or perhaps even actively harmful, policies is the correct thing to do. Unfortunately, the solutions proposed by Democrats/liberals far too often suck complete and total ass.

Moreover, they often times see a problem where Republicans/conservatives don't see one. This does not imply that Republicans generally don't care about the broader, underlying issue. For example, Democrats saying "situation XYZ is a case of racism" and Republicans saying that situation XYZ is not an instance of racism does not by itself allow the conclusion that Republicans generally don't care about racism. Conservatives simply have a different idea of what racial justice, a desirable healthcare system or gender equality is supposed to look like.

The one issue where your point that Republicans genuinely don't care is partially true is climate change. But even that is changing, there is a growing movement among younger Republicans who want to acknowledge the issue and formulate their own platform on how to address it.