But a Labour or Labour/Lib Dem government would have 5 years to right the ship. Yes, chances are the next 1-2 years will be an unpleasant mess, but chances also are that things will increasingly improve after that period. By putting the other side in power for 5 years, Tories would risk that the next election comes up at a time when the country is on an upward trajectory, and people's mood with it.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 5 2022 02:14pm

Most polls predict a hung parliament right now. So it would more than likely be a labour/lib dem coalition. With the tories still holding enough seats to cause trouble at the slightest wiff of disagreement between them, or even between the extreme factions of each party.

Let me be clear though, I have zero expectation that a general election will be called. In fact, I still think it's highly unlikely Boris willingly walks. But there is an argument to be made about calling a general election, albeit a weak one.

On the face of it, Boris can stay in power for a while longer:
1) He won the confidence vote recently and another one can't be called for a year
2) There are plenty of sycophants willing to sacrifice their integrity to replace outgoing ministers

But there will still be more resignations and he may get sick of his own MPs turning on him

This post was edited by dro94 on Jul 5 2022 03:00pm

Sure, but I think the dam has finally been breached. At this point, it must be crystal clear to any Tory that their own chances at reelection will go down the longer the current misery drags on, the longer Johnson stays in power. From a selfish, self-preserving POV, it would clearly be better for virtually any Tory to boot Johnson now and hope that him and his scandals will be a distant memory on voters' mind in 2.5 years when the next election takes place.

I mean... yes, he technically can't face another confidence vote for a year, but if the entire Tory bench signed a letter calling for his resignation, would he really be able to withstand the pressure?
Also... correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't the Tory majority in parliament just call a parliamentary (rather than party-internal) vote of no confidence?

all elections are rigged not only at the voting machine level but to the point that the DNC will irradiate those who refuse to leave the white house. Its all nonsense anyways, the real control are agencies like nsa, shadow gov, etc.

lets not pretend Joe poopy pants biden and his wernicke's aphasia is getting anything done, they give him note cards on how to behave 247 and do a great job. Joe biden belongs in a retirement home so to speak and to no suprise the end result was cancel culture and death to mom and pop stores.


Reality is AI has taken over reality and is playing strong mind games w/ every (divide and conquer).

The 1922 tory committee can change the party rules so another no confidence vote can be cast. They elect another executive sometime this week (i think?) so the anti boris bunch are pushing for someone obviously anti boris. They reckon they could have another vote within 3 weeks if all goes well.

Don't think you can have a parliamentary vote on just the pm, as it's an internal tory dispute, you could only have it for the whole party and call a general election. Could be wrong though.

Ah i was wrong. Appatently you can have a no confidence parliamentary vote if the opposition put the vote forward.

Looks like Germany is reaching the tipping point regarding gas. They will be bailing out gas companies soon:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-to-bail-out-energy-suppliers-ahead-of-winter-without-russian-gas-11657032009

There are a couple of ways to get rid of him in any case

Patel has just called on him to resign. At this rate, it'll just be Dorries and Rees-Mogg left...

What a fucking state populism and Brexit has done to this great country

This post was edited by dro94 on Jul 6 2022 12:48pm

i wonder with what money, we are already wasting ridiculous amounts, the trade surplus is gone and millions of jobs are in question right now

good thing i have stacked for the winter, this will be ugly