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Aug 7 2020 01:16pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 7 Aug 2020 21:12)
correct or not.. its why my feeling is the trump base is all about race..
trump/bernie when talking are not that far apart.. what happens in reality yes(because trump can't tell the truth or admit responsibility)
But R base just is really focused on WHERE the money goes.. if its to white middle america its fine.. IE EO on prescription drugs (socialist) was well received..
An opposite example something like food stamps perceived to be a black person issue=lazy
Let them "find something else" Ivanka BS, but it echo's the trump base perception.


The trump base is about cultural conservatism in general. Race/immigration/the rejection of multiculturalism is a central pillar of it, but there are lots of other issues driving it too.
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Aug 7 2020 01:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 7 2020 11:59am)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/one-five-mail-ballots-rejected-botched-nyc-primary-n1236143?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Numbers are finally in from NYC's presidential primary back in June 23. It didn't take place until 2 months after Bernie conceded, and the results weren't in until today 2 months after taht.
The mail-in voting experiment turned out to be a miserable failure, with 84,000 ballots rejected, a full 21% of all mail-in votes

So to be clear: It took 2 months after the election for the absentee votes to be counted during the pandemic. And it resulted in 21% of mail-in voters being disenfranchised.


If this happened during the presidential election, nobody would accept the results.


What is an acceptable number for you in terms of rejection? California's rejection rate was substantially lower and we need to figure out why NY rejected so many ballots. IMO, if you forget to sign your ballot, you deserve to be disenfranchised. That's akin to going to a polling place and forgetting to fill out who you want to be President. Tough luck! Some people probably forgot to register for a specific party. Again, tough luck, you should have read the rules.

Now, for the logistic issues, there are plenty of solutions. Here are a few:
1) Encourage people to vote and submit their ballot early.
2) Allow people to drop off their ballot at a fixed location in addition to the post office

Voting should be easy and information should be really easy to get.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Aug 2020 21:13)
political axes change, wanting a protectionist economy where america is first is the new furthest right u can be in economy. and fiscal conservative governance no longer belongs to either party and has fallen off the axis altogether.


It falls neatly into the open-closed politcal spectrum that has increasingly been replacing the traditional left-right political spectrum as the dominant axis of politics. Not just in the US btw, also happening in most European countries. You can also call it nationalism vs globalism or whatever.

Fiscal conservatism is dying a silent and very well-deserved death. It was only a tool to prop up the top 0.1% anyway. Fiscal prudence is still very much needed though.
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Aug 7 2020 01:31pm
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 7 2020 02:20pm)
What is an acceptable number for you in terms of rejection? California's rejection rate was substantially lower and we need to figure out why NY rejected so many ballots. IMO, if you forget to sign your ballot, you deserve to be disenfranchised. That's akin to going to a polling place and forgetting to fill out who you want to be President. Tough luck! Some people probably forgot to register for a specific party. Again, tough luck, you should have read the rules.

Now, for the logistic issues, there are plenty of solutions. Here are a few:
1) Encourage people to vote and submit their ballot early.
2) Allow people to drop off their ballot at a fixed location in addition to the post office

Voting should be easy and information should be really easy to get.


Voting in person here has a 0.00% rejection rate, I'd like to strive for that. You can't cast a ballot that won't get counted since the machines spit it right back out and call you a dumbass and tell you to redo it.
LA had a massive vote-by-mail, even bigger than NYC, and had a 1.4% rejection rate. I'd still say that might be too high, we had swing states with razor thin margins in 2016.

The problem with 1) is that the earlier you let people cast their ballots, the more you render the debates and campaigning meaningless, asking people to vote before they've been informed about the candidates. And the issue with 2) is that you're compromising the chain of custody of ballots and adding in more potential for fraud.

But whatever NYC did, it was so catastrophically bad that if even a single state- let alone a swing state- wound up with an election that broken, nobody would accept the results.
And there's really no worse outcome than an election becoming delegitimized.
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Aug 7 2020 01:39pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 7 2020 03:01pm)
BUT BUT BUT BUT corporations with 30-40% constant profit margins needed billions because they've been dumping cash back to wall street via dividends and buying back stock so the board is happy, so restaurants with a 10% profit margin just have to deal with it.

ive never hated corporate america more than in covid. im going to start putting plastic pieces in my conveyors that burn out a year or two after the warranty runs out.



Some actually did need that. Like we need to help Boeing, the airlines, some of the hotels, etc. Those heavy impacted industries need to be kept on life support. We can’t really have a future without those things or let the vast amount of people employed there lose jobs for many years because we let those companies implode.

My issue is more with big tech. The googles and Amazon’s the microsoft’ who are raking in record cash and have gone absolutely parabolic as far as valuations.

Like I wasn’t a huge fan of the euros digital tax on our tech companies but I’m starting to think it’s the only way at this point. The regulations need to be structured in a way that it doesn’t matter where you’re hq is, if you operate in the US and have a market cap above idk? 50 billion or whatever you have to pay a certain %

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Aug 7 2020 01:40pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 7 2020 12:31pm)
Voting in person here has a 0.00% rejection rate, I'd like to strive for that. You can't cast a ballot that won't get counted since the machines spit it right back out and call you a dumbass and tell you to redo it.
LA had a massive vote-by-mail, even bigger than NYC, and had a 1.4% rejection rate. I'd still say that might be too high, we had swing states with razor thin margins in 2016.

The problem with 1) is that the earlier you let people cast their ballots, the more you render the debates and campaigning meaningless, asking people to vote before they've been informed about the candidates. And the issue with 2) is that you're compromising the chain of custody of ballots and adding in more potential for fraud.

But whatever NYC did, it was so catastrophically bad that if even a single state- let alone a swing state- wound up with an election that broken, nobody would accept the results.
And there's really no worse outcome than an election becoming delegitimized.



In Oregon, if you early VBM, they mail it back to you to correct errors. My company also did a canvass to get people to correct things like missing signatures there in 2014.

Standardizing VBM nationally to match the Oregon system would be a very good idea, IMHO.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Aug 7 2020 01:44pm
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Aug 7 2020 01:43pm
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Some actually did need that. Like we need to help Boeing, the airlines, some of the hotels, etc. Those heavy impacted industries need to be kept on life support. We can’t really have a future without those things or let the vast amount of people employed there lose jobs for many years because we let those companies implode.

My issue is more with big tech. The googles and Amazon’s the microsoft’ who are raking in record cash and have gone absolutely parabolic as far as valuations.

Like I wasn’t a huge fan of the euros digital tax on our tech companies but I’m starting to think it’s the only way at this point. The regulations need to be structured in a way that it doesn’t matter where you’re hq is, if you operate in the US and have a market cap above idk? 50 billion or whatever you have to pay a certain %


let them all burn to the ground. the model of a massive percent of profits going towards board members, going into dividend payouts, and massive stock buybacks should end.

when normal people lose a job and are homeless 2 months later the rich snarkily tell them they shouldnt have an iphone, they should have saved for a rainy day. but 2 weeks into a pandemic and those fortune 500 companies were in risk of bankrupcy. these companies could have saved pennies and had millions to fall back on, but they pumped earnings reports to kick stock prices up a tiny percent to impress the board of directors and shareholders. fuck them, every company that got a payout should have to fire their CEO and board within 12 months.
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Aug 7 2020 01:46pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 12:39pm)
Some actually did need that. Like we need to help Boeing, the airlines, some of the hotels, etc. Those heavy impacted industries need to be kept on life support. We can’t really have a future without those things or let the vast amount of people employed there lose jobs for many years because we let those companies implode.

My issue is more with big tech. The googles and Amazon’s the microsoft’ who are raking in record cash and have gone absolutely parabolic as far as valuations.

Like I wasn’t a huge fan of the euros digital tax on our tech companies but I’m starting to think it’s the only way at this point. The regulations need to be structured in a way that it doesn’t matter where you’re hq is, if you operate in the US and have a market cap above idk? 50 billion or whatever you have to pay a certain %



It's really crazy to me that Republicans seem to look at the stock market as an indicator of the economy, when it reality it's only an indicator of how well the wealthiest people and megacorporations are doing. Every time Trump boasts about the stock market and you orgasm in your shorts, another small business shutters forever because of Republican economic priorities.
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Aug 7 2020 01:46pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 7 2020 12:43pm)
let them all burn to the ground. the model of a massive percent of profits going towards board members, going into dividend payouts, and massive stock buybacks should end.

when normal people lose a job and are homeless 2 months later the rich snarkily tell them they shouldnt have an iphone, they should have saved for a rainy day. but 2 weeks into a pandemic and those fortune 500 companies were in risk of bankrupcy. these companies could have saved pennies and had millions to fall back on, but they pumped earnings reports to kick stock prices up a tiny percent to impress the board of directors and shareholders. fuck them, every company that got a payout should have to fire their CEO and board within 12 months.


the rich have this system

Capitalism on the way up
Communism on the way down.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 7 2020 03:43pm)
let them all burn to the ground. the model of a massive percent of profits going towards board members, going into dividend payouts, and massive stock buybacks should end.

when normal people lose a job and are homeless 2 months later the rich snarkily tell them they shouldnt have an iphone, they should have saved for a rainy day. but 2 weeks into a pandemic and those fortune 500 companies were in risk of bankrupcy. these companies could have saved pennies and had millions to fall back on, but they pumped earnings reports to kick stock prices up a tiny percent to impress the board of directors and shareholders. fuck them, every company that got a payout should have to fire their CEO and board within 12 months.



Nobody models for revenue to drop by 80% lol. I mean I get why people are frustrated with buybacks, etc. but it’s a necessary mechanism for investment to happen.

Like any good manager is not going to have cash laying around in accounts. They have responsibilities dictated by things like internal rate of return forcing them to put money to work.
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