your "logic" was debunked so hard that you resorted to claiming just your personal definition of murder was valid, and everything else didn't matter. stop deluding yourself. facts don't care about your feelings.

You haven't debunked shit, my good sir.

If it isn't your personal feelings or belief then what is it?

It is my personal feeling that humans need choice and bodily autonomy from their governments. I've been against mandatory vaccines outside healthcare work which is volunteer as well as the choice to refuse medical treatments when they are being forces, the right to refuse feeding tubes during a hunger strike for example (even if the person may die), and I don't support a government using law to prevent citizens form using safe healthcare procedures to control their reproduction. Birth control isn't a failsafe and isn't safe for all women. Giving birth cost tens of thousands even hundreds of thousands of dollars and the people having abortion are the ones who can't afford these things. You are assuming there are families to support these people. Or alternatively put them in foster care systems where excessive trauma and abuse actually occurs while voting against system to make their lives worth living at all. The only people I get excessively paternal are the very old and demented people who have no idea what's going on and can't fend for themselves, I put every single one of them I meet in a nursing home, or the order of dozens and dozens a year.

This is all from my personal belief in values I have which include the right to self-determination, the right to liberty, the right to refuse what groups of people want for you but aren't consulting you about.

These are all feelings and beliefs. If being pro-life isn't your belief or you don't feel strongly about it then why are you here at all?



We also have separate terms for murder and abortion, so our language signifies that they are different phenomena. You can argue it is a type of homicide but you can't murder a non sentient thing, it doesn't make sense.

Abort means to stop before it happens. You are stopping the life before it happens, not killing something that is experiencing a life. Late term abortions yes, but those have nothing to do with R v W.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 7 2022 08:55am

lol abortion is murder and thats why its illegal after the first trimester even in your shithole of a country

Lol!

Fender is German? I bet he's not a real German, most likely an immigrant of some kind.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 7 2022 08:54am

Does anyone have credible site or scientists (probably a biologists) who have chimed into the debate?

from nazional socialist germany

I am pro-choice but I believe that abortion is indeed murder. I am here because I have too much time on my hands, lol.

Yes, all these organizations are pro-choice because legalized abortion has really decreased the deaths related to abortion and they feel no need to ramp those back up again like the American right.

They're trying to bring back the 1970s, when there were tons of poor people, high crime, and unregulated abortions.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 7 2022 08:57am

do you really think people already forgot how last time we went down that road you ended up corn-cobbing so hard, crying that only YOUR (incorrect) personal definition of murder counted? it doesn't work that way.

modern secular societies decided that a woman's right to bodily self-determination is more important than your feelings about strangers' zygotes and fetuses, and that it's not up to the government to legislate people's bodies just to appease some religious zealots. your attempts to make (flawed) biological and legal arguments won't change that, and frankly, they are rather pathetic to begin with. think whatever you like, feel whatever you like, but do yourself a favour and stop pretending like there's some kind of objective truth behind your bigoted views, there simply isn't.