Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 22 2022 08:30pm)

Traitors=/=their own people. Once you take up arms against the country in which you reside you can't hide behind citizenship.

They don't get to call themselves that because they chose to fight for....idk to die and be a puppet state? I guess that's a win? I wouldn't get in that line personally.

This is the second time your examples of mass murder are less than a 5 people dying in a short period of time btw.

They could of lived there regardless of fighting for it is the thing. This argument is completely unrealistic.

Like for real all your examples rely heavily on the fact that the only reason any fighting is going on is because some traitors started a fight and put civilians in harms way.

What if...just think for a second...they just said "we are a minority and this place isn't for us so we are going to the place we want to be in". Why wasn't this a better solution than starting a war?

If these separatist group truly think they can be neither russian nor ukrainian i'd say those groups are simply chaos makers.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 10:44pm)

Traitors to what, exactly? A bunch of mass-murdering and Stepan Bandera-worshipping fascists? There is a reason people now call Ukraine Banderastan as a joke.

They have every right to defend themselves from aggression launched on their peoples by fascists. Now you would think that Europe would reject Nazism and reject modern-day fascism, but instead they are all groveling at Ukraine's feet and lining up to support the Nazi regime in Kiev, who launched a terroristic blitzkrieg on their own people because they would rather blame Russia than have to admit that the post-coup government in Ukraine, backed and installed by the US, is totally corrupt and guilty of numerous war-crimes and crimes against humanity.

Oh, I'm sorry that not enough civilians were murdered in the past two days for you. The fact that *any* civilians have been killed at all by Ukraine's military is already unacceptable as it is. Does it make you feel better that the total number of dead civilians, killed by Ukrainian artillery alone since 2014 exceeds well over ten thousand? Is that enough blood for you, or would you rather it be in the hundreds of thousands?

Sadly you're just another ignorant fool that has resorted to blaming the victims of this conflict. Ukraine could at any time have sought peaceful negotiations with Donbass. Instead they opened fire on Donbass, sent in tanks and aircraft and tens of thousands of troops whom massacred anything and everything in-front of them, before the tide of the war turned and they suffered one defeat after another in 2014-2015. Not once in the past 8 years did they seek peace and not once did they negotiate with Donbass.

I will re-iterate: there are 1 million people approximately living in Donbass territory. They lived there before the coup and they have a right to the land, which they have fought and shed blood for. These people should not have to leave, uproot their lives and be forced to live in Russia because of an illegitimate regime that was installed by the United States. That's not fair to them, it's not fair to Russia, and it's not fair for their lives and for their dignity. You blame them for "starting the war", but in reality this war was sparked first and foremost by US meddling in Ukraine and secondly by the far-right Nazi militant groups in Ukraine, who would be, if there was any real justice in this world, condemned by the world's international community for openly attempting to carry out a campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide against their own nation's people, merely because they spoke Russian instead of Ukrainian.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 22 2022 09:48pm)

You just told me a day ago that Zelensky was actively planning an invasion of the DPR, and would do it because he's Biden's lackey!

Quote (22RE @ Feb 22 2022 10:50pm)

what you argue for/ agree with is antfia/BLM ,choas makers that about sums it up really!
I think this is more then that, but who really know?

Quote (bogie160 @ 23 Feb 2022 05:48)

You just told me a day ago that Zelensky was actively planning an invasion of the DPR, and would do it because he's Biden's lackey!

Quote (Ognadibik @ Feb 22 2022 10:13pm)

Maybe multiple ppl use this paid troll account. Thats why he contradicts himself so often ^^

Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 22 2022 09:06pm)

I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at here.

BLM and Antifa(god i hate to even type this buzzword) want to be part of any other country or create their own poorly thought out country over their issues.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 23 Feb 2022 06:24)

A week ago Ukraine was planning to attack Donbass, yes.

Russia responded by pre-empting the offensive which they knew was coming, moved in peacekeepers and recognized the independence of Donbass.

Ukraine did not expect this and did not plan their offensive operation with this potential move by Russia in mind.

Now attacking Donbass is suicide for them, to a much heightened degree than it was before.

Well, now they can either kill themselves or back down from the crisis they created in the first place by threatening Donbass with an invasion.

What do you think is the most logical choice for them now that Russia is actually involved in LDNR?

See, it's not hard to figure out if you use your brain.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 09:03pm)

It seems you have a short memory. That was before Russia officially moved Russian peacekeepers into DPR's territory. This situation has rapidly evolved and is changing constantly, and there may even be more unexpected developments in the coming days.

They were planning an attack, which was obvious since Ukraine's military had formed an attack posture with 60,000 troops, 500 tanks, and increased the level of shelling dramatically in such a way that was clearly intended to soften up the defenses shortly before invading the area, but that was before Russia announced they recognized DPR and LPR's independence, that is.!