Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:41am)

the scientific method in practice is experts coming to a consensus of available data where people tested a hypothesis. these experts conclude the data isnt tampered by untested factors, and generally repeat the tests to confirm, potentially with changes to eliminate outlier factors they didn't perceive.

you've really been on a roll this week latching onto words u dont like and ranting to cry about very basic facts. im guessing u work at a place with 100+ people, or worked rather.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:43am)

a definition alone proves nothing, and explanation of how something fits said definition is exactly what u asked for however.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 10 2021 12:44pm)

The scientists promoted by media outlets have conflict of interests that invalidate their arguments.

Consensus can't exist in a world like our crippled by private interests.

Pfizer's vaccine is the most popular because they spend the most on advertising.

tl;dr Genetic fallacies are not useful on their own

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 12:45pm)

I think Bobb's point is that neither the concept of consensus nor "expert" is important in science. What's really important is skepticism, which you don't have.

And by the way, you either can't read or you did read what bobb said, but you still felt compelled to say something that entirely has neither meaning nor any relevance.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 01:17pm)

"Experts" do not write policy. And there are plenty of "medical professionals" who disagree with any form of mandates, lockdowns, or even masking. They've simply been booted from social media.

The bottom line is there has to be a basic risk vs reward analysis performed. SARS-CoV-2 is endemic. It already has some 4000odd variants, with dozens more each week. It's going to exist in the global population forever, just like Influenza.

The goal all rational people strove for was those who were at the highest risk, aka everyone above 65 and anyone with any comorbidities that puts them of high risk of severe symptoms be protected and get vaccinated.

They were protected. They've had the opportunity to get vaccinated. Enough is enough, it's time to get back to it. Children are not at risk. Teenagers are not at risk. Working aged are not at risk unless they obese or have other comorbidities.

I find it sad that such a normally rational person has been taken in by this anti-science, anti-intellectual fear mongering. Go look up the numbers. Tell me what percentage of those hospitalized or what percentage of those who've died had no comorbidities and weren't over the age of 65. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Then, go ahead and compare Covid-related deaths to this time last year, see how they stack up.

Last but not least, tell me, what percentage of people died "from" covid, as opposed to "with" covid. Can you answer that, given every person who tested positive of covid is considered a "covid-related death"?

Quote (Godzillatoss @ Sep 10 2021 01:25pm)

hey, random question i thought you might be able to clarify


When hospitalizations are reported as vaccinated vs unvaccinated, how do they define "vaccinated"?

Is a person only considered vaccinated when they have had both shots, and waited 14 days after their second shot?

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 12:47pm)

Yes there are plenty of medical professionals who believe vaccines cause autism etc. But this plenty you speak of is a trivially small minority among a vast majority that are pro vaccine. Just to be clear you're saying this vast majority of the medical community is wrong?

As for the stats you're referring to I don't judge the merits of anti vax arguments because I'm not qualifed to assess the data. If there were credible arguments to be made I'd think the medical community would concur with your findings and I rely on their expertise.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 12:50pm)

The only doctor we have in here is ^bazi so he can help clarify. I know the vaccine protection takes a while but I can't speak to how hospitals classify patients.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 10:47am)

Just to be clear you're saying this vast majority of the medical community is wrong?

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 12:50pm)

There is nothing impossible about this.

And it's not even about this. Bobb's point is that consensus and "experts" aren't concepts that are important in science. What's truly important is skepticism, which is what these "minority" scientists are showing.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:52am)

define "scientific skepticism". not how they "fit" it, "prove" it.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 12:54pm)

I asked you first. You do that first and then I will comply with your demand.