that's a bit harsh no? i don't think i'd label anyone here bad or dishonest, even the qanon guys who probably genuinely believe whatever they say

what do you make of trumps role in the capital hill riots anyway cam?

This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 13 2021 06:38pm

I don't think I've identified as a Republican in the last 4 years.

You're really bad at debating.

I’m not debating, just calling you out on a lie. A fabrication that you played long after the point.

Why would there be a 3rd impeachment?


Yup. He admitted that in 2016, he enjoyed the schadenfreude associated with crying liberals. TBH, I kinda did too but it really wasn't worth it in the grand scheme of things.


Oh please. Hardly any resources were spent on this. The real tragedy is that the GOP delayed Biden's confirmation picks.

Anyway, we really won't know if this was a "waste" until the 2022 and 2024 elections occur.



I mean, I think that's fair if you actually believe that. However, there's no doubt in my mind that if the shoe were on the other foot, a substantial amount of Democrats would fall back on that constitutional argument and the GOP would convict. I was definitely convinced by the House Dems because they gave a textualist and historical argument. Scalia would have been proud.


I disagree. Our leaders need to be held to the highest of standards. I really don't want to fall back on the "Trump is unbelievable incompetent" argument so we can condone it to some extent. This sort of behavior needs to be nipped in the bud.

Sham is done. Biden is President. Trump is off living the life of a billionaire in Florida. All's well.

We finished here?

he/she (icemage) is a “lincoln” project acolyte. a rino/neo-con war-loving grifter absent of morals or a conscience. just check out recent news of this group of people

Tldr but did anyone listen to Mitch Mcconnell after he voted not guilty?

Zero respect for this guy.

Says trump is morally responsible for the riot
Says trumps actions were a dereliction of duty
Slams trump into the ground

Can't remember what else he said, I haven't watched this video yet I'm going off what I remember from listening to it live

...but votes not guilty because trump is no longer president.

At the same time this scumbag wouldn't bring articles of impeachment to the senate floor while he was majority leader and trump was still president, so he could have this out....

Also, lays forth the precedent that any future president can simply resign and not be held accountable for their actions because they no longer are in office.

Literally trash...after mitch just voted not guilty he says this???? I wanted to puke. Watch for yourselves. I don't know how this isn't front page news



This post was edited by BeeetleJuice on Feb 13 2021 08:45pm

Nobody knows what you were talking about, and neither do you.

Trump was impeached while he was still President. He was literally impeached while still President. Only the trial for conviction was held after his Presidency.

The primary objective of a conviction trial is to remove a President from office. Trump wasn't in office. Therefore, if you believe the trial is a sham based on the context of the trial itself, a "not guilty" vote is pretty clear.

McConnel has many issues. His vote on this matter is not one of them.

Still speaks about the terrible character of trump

Also, yes he was impeached but the articles were not brought to the senate floor while trump was still president....bc Mitch refused to do so to give himself this out

Also impeachment is not just for presidents. It's for all civil officers (judges too)...

And there is a clause in impeachment that bars them from ever serving in any government office if they are impeached....

So the precedent we are setting is if you fuck up and resign, to the highest degree (impeachment), then you are free to serve in government positions again??

Come on man....why would the clause barring and impeached person from ever serving public office again be in the impeachment laws if someone could just resign and not be held accountable bc they aren't currently in office...???

This post was edited by BeeetleJuice on Feb 13 2021 09:03pm

Doesn't speak about Trump at all. If the purpose of a conviction trial on a POTUS is to remove them from office, then if a trial is in regards of a non-sitting President, then a "Not Guilty" verdict seems clear. You cannot remove a non-sitting President from office.

I don't give two shits what you think about Trump. Hate him? Great! Love him? Fine! I don't fucking care. Legally, the purpose of the impeachment TRIAL is to remove a sitting President from office. He wasn't a sitting President. Done.



This is false. He was impeached. Literally, the articles of impeachment were delivered and accepted while he was in office. He was impeached. Stop spreading bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 13 2021 09:00pm