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Sep 18 2018 06:11pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 18 2018 05:06pm)
or perhaps the main goal from the very beginning was to stall and delay, and this is just another attempt. if she testifies before congress on monday, they could hold their final vote by thursday next week, or decide to drop Kav and start the nomination process of his replacement in time to get him through before the new senators are sworn in in december.

also, if the senate hears her next week, then confirms Kav in the same week, the entire thing will have faded from the news cycles and the voters' short-term memory by the midterms.

in any case, the democrats have no interest whatsoever in hearing Ford so soon. if they could delay things for just 2 more weeks beyond next monday, it would already be a huge tactical victory for them.


only way they get beyond monday is if something real damning comes out before then or kav really screws up his testimony somehow (unlikely)

if she doesn't show up they can set it up to vote

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Remember Ghot's phony narrative (going to paraphrase here) "The allegation against Kavanaugh isn't serious as the FBI isn't even investigating it/declined to investigate it"

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/white-house-sources-fbi-blocked-vetting-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-trump-wont-order/


Not really surprised



not like they can really do anything they haven't already done anyway
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Sep 18 2018 06:13pm
Is there any way in which they can actually subpoena her as part of a senate investigation into the claim or into defamation? That would be a dramatic version of calling her bluff.
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Sep 18 2018 06:14pm
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Okay bullshit-o-meter just jumped from yellow to flaming red:

[URL=https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/ford-letter-fbi/index.html]https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/ford-letter-fbi/index.html[/URL]

after the FBI announced they won't investigate because its not a federal crime, she demands an FBI investigation before she'll be willing to testify.

any pretense of legitimacy just got flung out the window, shes in full dodge mode despite being a ford


Your stable genius president who's supposed to be for transparency won't green light an FBI investigation, if Kavanaugh is innocent, what is Trump afraid of? Political midterms damage?
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Sep 18 2018 06:17pm
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Is there any way in which they can actually subpoena her as part of a senate investigation into the claim or into defamation? That would be a dramatic version of calling her bluff.


in the #metoo-era, they cant really treat a woman who's bringing up sexual assault allegations like she's a/the criminal without having really hard proof that her allegations were made up.
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Sep 18 2018 06:19pm
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Is there any way in which they can actually subpoena her as part of a senate investigation into the claim or into defamation? That would be a dramatic version of calling her bluff.


I don't see why they couldn't

it is an investigation
her testimony is pertinent and has valid purpose

but the Repubs should hold back on that as far as optics go

this is is like playing hot potato with a pulled pin grenade right now
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Sep 18 2018 06:21pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Sep 18 2018 08:11pm)
not like they can really do anything they haven't already done anyway


And you know this how? I think you're wrong.

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“You can go get yearbooks and start interviewing high school classmates,” he added. “For creative-minded FBI people, they can generate leads all day long.”
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Sep 18 2018 06:25pm
Quote (Horford @ Sep 18 2018 05:21pm)
And you know this how? I think you're wrong.


without getting her to testify there is not much to go on

she needs to tell her story

her first time talking about it was in 2012 by her own words nobody knew

I don't think it's a good optics move to deny the FBI approval but there needs to be something to go off of and there just really isn't much right now

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Sep 18 2018 06:28pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Sep 18 2018 08:25pm)
without getting her to testify there is not much to go on

she needs to tell her story

her first time talking about it was in 2012 by her own words nobody knew

I don't think it's a good optics move to deny the FBI approval but there needs to be something to go off of and there just really isn't much right now


Thats why you investigate it thoroughly... anyways i think she should testify regardless but i'm all for a complete FBI investigation.
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Sep 18 2018 06:32pm
Quote (Horford @ Sep 18 2018 05:28pm)
Thats why you investigate it thoroughly... anyways i think she should testify regardless but i'm all for a complete FBI investigation.


don't you worry

the internet is gonna get deeper in that ass over the next week than the FBI could ever dream
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Sep 18 2018 06:41pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 19 Sep 2018 02:19)
but the Repubs should hold back on that as far as optics go

this is is like playing hot potato with a pulled pin grenade right now


great analogy!
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