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Aug 29 2024 08:58pm
Excellence is the definition of one of the candidates. I think it's obvious who.
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Aug 30 2024 06:49am
The transcript from Kamala's CNN interview:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/harris-walz-interview-read-transcript/index.html


She was basically saying absolutely nothing, with quite some word salad sections sprinkled in. For example the following:

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BASH: I want to get some clarity on where you stand on some key policy issues. Energy is a big one. In — when you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal. And in 2019 you said, quote, “There is no question I’m in favor of banning fracking.” [...] Do you still want to ban fracking?

HARRIS: No, and I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020, that I would not ban fracking. As vice president, I did not ban fracking. As president, I will not ban fracking.

BASH: In 2019, I believe in a town hall you said — you were asked, “Would you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking on your first day in office?” and you said, “There’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking. So yes.” So it changed in — in that campaign?

HARRIS: In 2020 I made very clear where I stand. We are in 2024, and I have not changed that position, nor will I going forward. I kept my word, and I will keep my word.

BASH: What made you change that position at the time?

HARRIS: Well, let’s be clear. My values have not changed. I believe it is very important that we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate. And to do that, we can do what we have accomplished thus far.




Another great line is this:
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HARRIS: Dana, I think the — the — the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed. You mentioned the Green New Deal. I have always believed and I have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time.


Okay then... :mellow:


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 30 2024 06:52am
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Aug 30 2024 09:31am
Both Trump and Harris are trying to make a very overt shift to the middle to appeal to swing voters, as is par for the course.
It is telling how different their pitches are

Kamala went onto a scripted pretaped interview with friendly hosts, the most softball environment possible, and still came out looking like a flip flopper because she tried to take ambiguous policy positions opposed to her previous policy positions. She's been explicitly against fracking and private health insurance and she explicitly said she would give free healthcare to illegal aliens and decriminalize illegal crossings. Dana Bash gave her every opportunity to peddle any spin she wanted and she went with absolute fucking gobbledeegook word salad like she has infamously done on the campaign trail;
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I believe it is important to build consensus, and it is important to find a common place of understanding of where we can actually solve problems
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I believe there should be consequence. We have laws that have to be followed and enforced that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally. And there should be consequence.
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The most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed. You mentioned the Green New Deal. I have always believed and I have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time.
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So that is the reality of it, and four years of being vice president, I’ll tell you, one of the — the — the aspects to your point is traveling the country extensively. I mean, I’m here in Georgia, I think somebody told me 17 times since I’ve been vice president in Georgia alone. I believe it is important to build consensus, and it is important to — to — to find a common place of understanding of where we can actually solve problems.


Jesus at least when Mitt Romney flip flopped he took a firm policy position even if it was opposed to the one he previously voted for. We still don't know where Kamala stands on the issues, only that she has flip flopped from either side of the issue to the other side and won't get specific.

Meanwhile Donald Trump took the most bull-in-a-china shop fashion to appealing to centrists and just did a bold policy proposal that completely overthrows the position held by a bunch of his hard right supporters, which is actually a recurring trend with Trump making bargains. When Trump was trying to strike an immigration deal, he offered amnesty and a pathway to citizenship (!) without any euphemisms or pretense, just put it on the table. Now he's saying the government should fund IVF, fuck the religious nuts who think its pseudoabortion, oh and now he's explicitly against a national abortion ban and the florida 6 week window, so he's outflanking Ron DeSantis from the left once again, the man is an absolute menace for his total lack of sincere ideology and juking left to right on a whim.
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Aug 30 2024 09:54am
Just for the record: it was initially DeSantis who was trying to outflank Trump from his right, so Trump ended up to his left on the issues by default, without requiring any flipflopping on Trump's part. Him bashing Florida's 6 week ban isn't about DeSantis, it's about drawing a contrast for the swing voters between himself and the more hard-right faction within the GOP.

All in all, I would say it's smart tactics from both sides. Six-week abotion bans are a too draconian position for the national electorate and telling the anti-IVF nuts to pound sand is good politics too. Likewise, Harris holds lots of unpopular beliefs on energy policy, immigration and the economy, so trying to deflect and obscure is her best bet.

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Aug 30 2024 11:46am
gotta juxtapose the way Trump went to a cemetery to salute the dead and didn't personally do anything wrong but media tried to spin it as a big anti-Trump story, while Kamala got a softball interview with a sycophantic network taped and edited and still came out looking terrible
I'm not saying its impossible that Kamala will win a debate against Trump, but I am saying the odds are unbelievably skewed in Trump's favor. She couldn't even hold her own with Dana Bash's help, no followup questions or probing
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Aug 30 2024 12:24pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 30 2024 12:46pm)
gotta juxtapose the way Trump went to a cemetery to salute the dead and didn't personally do anything wrong but media tried to spin it as a big anti-Trump story, while Kamala got a softball interview with a sycophantic network taped and edited and still came out looking terrible
I'm not saying its impossible that Kamala will win a debate against Trump, but I am saying the odds are unbelievably skewed in Trump's favor. She couldn't even hold her own with Dana Bash's help, no followup questions or probing


18 Mins of a chopped and screwed precanned interview with Walz to babysit her. and STILL by the end of the interview she had to be lead into answers with questions that spelled everything out.

what's been really funny to me is the vocal acceptance by democrats in read-it where they acknowledge the best chance she has to win is to say as little as possible while maximizing photo ops of shaking young girls hands. they fully understand she is her own worst enemy, but will proudly vote for her because she has the right shade of orange skin and not the wrong one.

im just glad that the post-Obama era democrat party has been scooby doo unmasked. they no longer support anyone, they are worshippers of the machine. maybe a few losses will bring them back to the grown up table where you're at least forced to argue for a person you can stomach and policy you at least dont hate.
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18 Mins of a chopped and screwed precanned interview with Walz to babysit her. and STILL by the end of the interview she had to be lead into answers with questions that spelled everything out.

what's been really funny to me is the vocal acceptance by democrats in read-it where they acknowledge the best chance she has to win is to say as little as possible while maximizing photo ops of shaking young girls hands. they fully understand she is her own worst enemy, but will proudly vote for her because she has the right shade of orange skin and not the wrong one.

im just glad that the post-Obama era democrat party has been scooby doo unmasked. they no longer support anyone, they are worshippers of the machine. maybe a few losses will bring them back to the grown up table where you're at least forced to argue for a person you can stomach and policy you at least dont hate.


This is actually the third election in a row in which the respective candidates from both sides suffer the more public attention is on them, suffer as soon as they're subjected to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.
Come on, America, do better!
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2024 02:26am)
This is actually the third election in a row in which the respective candidates from both sides suffer the more public attention is on them, suffer as soon as they're subjected to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.
Come on, America, do better!


Agreed, however one candidate suffers disproportionately more from artificial attention and scrutiny while the others negatives are marginalized. Specifically talking legacy federated MSM apparatus.

MSM was having success selling the fiction for a while, Walz took the scrutiny off Kamala for a while. She is just so bad they can't tow the line any longer and keep the narrative of Trump faltering afloat. Debate 2 gonna implode MSMs massive pay to win

A great example was the attacks on Trump campaign because some idiot staffer takes photos on a cemetery (countless dead outraged). During same timeframe he picks up anti-war independent endorsements. MSM is a sad joke

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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 30 2024 01:24pm)
18 Mins of a chopped and screwed precanned interview with Walz to babysit her. and STILL by the end of the interview she had to be lead into answers with questions that spelled everything out.

what's been really funny to me is the vocal acceptance by democrats in read-it where they acknowledge the best chance she has to win is to say as little as possible while maximizing photo ops of shaking young girls hands. they fully understand she is her own worst enemy, but will proudly vote for her because she has the right shade of orange skin and not the wrong one.

im just glad that the post-Obama era democrat party has been scooby doo unmasked. they no longer support anyone, they are worshippers of the machine. maybe a few losses will bring them back to the grown up table where you're at least forced to argue for a person you can stomach and policy you at least dont hate.


She came off as uncomfortable, and not wanting to be there for the short interview that was filmed as a promotional by cnn.
Did she come off as disingenuous to people who may of viewed it through an objective lens?
When faced with a question about the horrible racial ethnic attacks Donald Trump made against her, she clammed up, and told the interviewer to skip the question.
Most politicians would be able to twist something out of that even if it were full blown lies, but she demurred.
Why CNN left this in the final cut is beyond me, what would the harm of been in cutting another minute off of the video?
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