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Aug 7 2020 12:05pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 11:02am)
Obviously the trend was there but that's not an excuse for what happened these last few months. You put a sick old dog out of misery, not people who are turning a profit running a small venture because in 20 years they wont be profitable because of the Walmart's. Talk to most small business owners that got tko'd by Covid and they won't have this almost like they've been done a favor by being 'put down not to suffer' attitude.

I was at this neighborhood little Italian place few weeks back. Really nice cozy place. I was talking to a regular who was telling me they used to have live music every Wednesday night and the place was packed. I can't speak to how much money the owner was making but it's safe to safe he was turning a profit. Now? There were 2 customers at that place, i won't be surprised if i see a for sale/leasing sign in another couple of months.

Thing is it's not even only restaurants. It's pretty much every place that has a brick and mortar location which tend to be your local little guys. You can only let in X people, you have to have X sanitation stations, you have to monitor and create social distancing rules and on and on.


agreed by every L leaning poster (see above)
Long term problem, accelerated by COVID and lack of FED leadership. So.. problem already existed and the virus and poor leadership has brought the gun to knife fight of putting out small business.
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Aug 7 2020 12:07pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 7 2020 01:33pm)
please explain this ridiculous logic.. How do state governor's hold back FED funds.
:popcorn:


This has nothing to do with fed funds. It has to do with $20000 fines for operating a low risk restaurant.
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Aug 7 2020 12:09pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 01:02pm)
Obviously the trend was there but that's not an excuse for what happened these last few months. You put a sick old dog out of misery, not people who are turning a profit running a small venture because in 20 years they wont be profitable because of the Walmart's. Talk to most small business owners that got tko'd by Covid and they won't have this almost like they've been done a favor by being 'put down not to suffer' attitude.

I was at this neighborhood little Italian place few weeks back. Really nice cozy place. I was talking to a regular who was telling me they used to have live music every Wednesday night and the place was packed. I can't speak to how much money the owner was making but it's safe to safe he was turning a profit. Now? There were 2 customers at that place, i won't be surprised if i see a for sale/leasing sign in another couple of months.

Thing is it's not even only restaurants. It's pretty much every place that has a brick and mortar location which tend to be your local little guys. You can only let in X people, you have to have X sanitation stations, you have to monitor and create social distancing rules and on and on.


my point was the brick and mortar, be they restaurants, clothes, bakeries, w/e, have been dying for a long time. pre-covid we had major nationwide retailers closing all brick and mortar locations and moving to a pure online sales model or just liquidating. Circuit city, K-marts, JC Penny's, Payless shoes, Shopkos, etc. We only know those because they are nationwide brands, the mom and pop shops started dying first and there's millions of them that dont exist today.

more than a bit ironic here, people claim "covid deaths" are overcounted because there are an abundance of "people who died of something else while they had covid". the same is true in the business sector, dying businesses got killed fast.

bars are the main exception to this, because generally they do ok and are now dead. restaurants tho is a bit of confirmation bias, most are super low profit businesses with massive overhead and a large percent close doors every year that aren't franchises.

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Aug 7 2020 12:10pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 7 2020 11:07am)
This has nothing to do with fed funds. It has to do with $20000 fines for operating a low risk restaurant.


so follow the mandates and keep your business open..
and your talking to yourself about fines from mandates.. The topic is about widespread small business closing their doors.
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Aug 7 2020 12:18pm
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so follow the mandates and keep your business open..
and your talking to yourself about fines from mandates.. The topic is about widespread small business closing their doors.


Some of the mandates limit capacity. Many restaurants have really thin margins. You simply can't operate even at break even if gov't comes in and says you have to operate under 50% capacity until we have a vaccine.

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Aug 7 2020 12:29pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 01:18pm)
Some of the mandates limit capacity. Many restaurants have really thin margins. You simply can't operate even at break even if gov't comes in and says you have to operate under 50% capacity until we have a vaccine.


Better innovate and start pushing carryout services!


Most restaurants in my area aren't doing great, but a few have really pushed carryout services. One even has a thing called squarepay where I type in my email and it texts me a code to confirm adn then auto-fills my payment and delivery information. Super nice.

They're the only restaurant where every time I go get a pickup the counter is lined with orders waiting to be picked up. They're doing great.

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Aug 7 2020 12:33pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 11:18am)
Some of the mandates limit capacity. Many restaurants have really thin margins. You simply can't operate even at break even if gov't comes in and says you have to operate under 50% capacity until we have a vaccine.



The R government could have easily helped them weather the storm, but instead helped the wealthiest amass even greater wealth while these businesses are shuttering.
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Aug 7 2020 12:36pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 7 2020 01:33pm)
The R government could have easily helped them weather the storm, but instead helped the wealthiest amass even greater wealth while these businesses are shuttering.


Then there's also this. Trump went out of his way to fire every IG that could have overseen the distribution of the funds.
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Aug 7 2020 12:40pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 01:18pm)
Some of the mandates limit capacity. Many restaurants have really thin margins. You simply can't operate even at break even if gov't comes in and says you have to operate under 50% capacity until we have a vaccine.


restaurants have high overhead because 1 server for about every 5 tables is needed, a full line of cooks is needed, as well as a pastry chef, prep chefs, dish washers, etc.

plate food costs dont change based on the number of people you have in, and 50% of tables filled doesn't account for a big increase you're doing in takeout.

you can survive, u just have to fire people and get acclimated to the online door delivery order model that will dominate moving forward.
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Aug 7 2020 12:43pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 7 2020 11:18am)
Some of the mandates limit capacity. Many restaurants have really thin margins. You simply can't operate even at break even if gov't comes in and says you have to operate under 50% capacity until we have a vaccine.


Construction.
My company has over 32 active sites
1. We have to have EVERY person on site temp checked.. 200+ a day.. every day every sites thats. 6,400 test every day
2. Everyone has masks 24-7 and we have 10x the amount of sanitation sites and Honey buckets etc.
3. Everyone has to answer questionnaire daily 200+ a day again 6,400 questionnaires every day.
4. If we are within 6 feet of ea other must have a N95 or Greater and L&I fit tested. Must fill out a JHA (job hazard analysis) and submit approval prior to working.. yes that means unloading stuff off a truck, installing windows ANYTHING
5. All job shacks cannot have another person from a different company enter their area.
6. Must be willing to share contact information if positive.
7. Small confined areas.. IE one area people are working in must have 10 or less people.

We have found a way to deal with all of these and are fully functioning.
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