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Jun 6 2022 01:04pm
Keep in mind the United States just tried to assassinate Maduro in 2019, now we begging him for oil lulz
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Keep in mind the United States just tried to assassinate Maduro in 2019, now we begging him for oil lulz


Russia will blow for a while

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Jun 6 2022 02:10pm
johnson survives

211 votes in his favor, 148 against, not exactly great ^_^
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johnson survives

211 votes in his favor, 148 against, not exactly great ^_^


in British politics a 58% win in a no confidence vote means you better pack your bags out of number 10. May got 63% and was eventually taken down

its gonna be funny seeing his sycophant ministers defending the indefensible for another x months until he's gone, losing their own credibility and careers in the process
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in British politics a 58% win in a no confidence vote means you better pack your bags out of number 10. May got 63% and was eventually taken down

its gonna be funny seeing his sycophant ministers defending the indefensible for another x months until he's gone, losing their own credibility and careers in the process


i agree, but dont underestimate how accountability and decency dont exist anymore

as i said before, nowadays these politicians are glued to their posts

a german politician would totally say "58% are an easy win kk thx bye"
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in British politics a 58% win in a no confidence vote means you better pack your bags out of number 10. May got 63% and was eventually taken down

its gonna be funny seeing his sycophant ministers defending the indefensible for another x months until he's gone, losing their own credibility and careers in the process

Yeah, he's clearly a dead man walking with this result. He could perhaps survive this politically if he goverened with great competence and absolutely no more scandals from here on out. :rofl:
So yeah, he's done.





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i agree, but dont underestimate how accountability and decency dont exist anymore

as i said before, nowadays these politicians are glued to their posts

a german politician would totally say "58% are an easy win kk thx bye"

Losing the confidence of 42% of your own MPs would absolutely be a disastrous result even for a German politician, one that cannot be shrugged off.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jun 6 2022 08:58pm)
i agree, but dont underestimate how accountability and decency dont exist anymore

as i said before, nowadays these politicians are glued to their posts

a german politician would totally say "58% are an easy win kk thx bye"


yep. I hope Starmer gets a chance at running the country, as Blair was the last good prime minister we had. Back in 2007 we had one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, were amongst the top in education rankings, had an increasing life expectancy, better social mobility, etc. The UK is now lagging in all of those metrics
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yep. I hope Starmer gets a chance at running the country, as Blair was the last good prime minister we had. Back in 2007 we had one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, were amongst the top in education rankings, had an increasing life expectancy, better social mobility, etc. The UK is now lagging in all of those metrics


Blair's policies are the main culprit for Brexit, the triumph of neoliberalism and for many working-class folks turning their backs on Labour. He was, to the best of my understanding, also one of the main drivers for this idea of going all-in on services, financial services in particular, as the backbone of the UK economy while neglecting the producing sector and everything else. Of course these policies looked good until 2007 - that's the point in time when this exact economic model came crashing down during the financial crisis. The seeds for the UK being outpaced during the 2010s were already sown during Blair's tenure.

Your statement is a bit like someone saying "Brezhnev was the last good General Secretary of the Soviet Union. Back in 1982, they could still compete with the West, still had a very high GDP per capita, great in education rankings, increasing life expectancy, etc. Look where Gorbachev's policies led the country." My point is that the UK was (imho) already set on a course toward creeping decline during the Blair years. Yes, 12+ years of Tory rule only made matters worse, and they deserve to get blasted for it - but Blair and New Labour must imho share the blame.
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Blair's policies are the main culprit for Brexit, the triumph of neoliberalism and for many working-class folks turning their backs on Labour. He was, to the best of my understanding, also one of the main drivers for this idea of going all-in on services, financial services in particular, as the backbone of the UK economy while neglecting the producing sector and everything else. Of course these policies looked good until 2007 - that's the point in time when this exact economic model came crashing down during the financial crisis. The seeds for the UK being outpaced during the 2010s were already sown during Blair's tenure.

Your statement is a bit like someone saying "Brezhnev was the last good General Secretary of the Soviet Union. Back in 1982, they could still compete with the West, still had a very high GDP per capita, great in education rankings, increasing life expectancy, etc. Look where Gorbachev's policies led the country." My point is that the UK was (imho) already set on a course toward creeping decline during the Blair years. Yes, 12+ years of Tory rule only made matters worse, and they deserve to get blasted for it - but Blair and New Labour must imho share the blame.


You can say the way of EU immigration in the early 2000s under Blair lead to Brexit, or you could say opinion polls were heavily in favour of remaining in the EU until tories called a referendum the people had no appetite for and lied through their teeth to the public

Blair was not the one who went all-in on financial services, it was Thatcher and the Big Bang policies of 1986. That actually precipitated the financial crisis in the world as the US adopted Big Bang policies which birthed the subprime mortgage crisis

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