Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 16 2023 03:34pm)
you dont think theres a difference between killing willing combatants vs killing babies, mothers, and eldery in terms of what it does re: radicalization? surely you cant be serious lol
here is an interesting thought exercise for you.
say your family has lived in a neighborhood for a few generations, your parents, cousins, grandparents, etc.
through the years, some of your neighbors' homes are bulldozed, maybe some of your own family members are beaten, dehumanized, targeted with harassment, forced to go through checkpoints twice a day just to do your job, jailed, etc. just for being Palestinian, right?
slowly a few of your neighbors are tired of being treated as less than human and they join Hamas. maybe you don't agree with their decision but you understand their rage. years go by, more of your neighbors are joining because the harassment is getting worse.
now your house has been bombed, your mother and father and sisters are dead. you have nowhere to go. who do you think you are going to be mad at, Israel and the IDF or are you going to be mad at Hamas?
any human being with a brain can understand that soldiers know what they are signing up for. its sad when they are killed but its an inherent risk. civilians, on the other hand, aren't generally expected to die in military conflict especially if theyre children or elderly. there is FAR more outrage when innocent people die vs soldiers dying. your assertion that Palestinian people value Hamas members' lives on the same level as their family members is ridiculous. killing Hamas members will absolutely not radicalize the entire strip. most of these poor people are worried about where to move to next because theyre fearing for their lives, they arent about to join Hamas. think about this seriously
if someone killed my 16 year old son i'd only be about 95% as mad as if they killed my 2 year old daughter or my grandma.
much success.
and of course those militants are all living in Hamas army bunkers right? they're not, gosh i wonder, couldnt be, living in their family homes. so raids to extract them wouldnt possibly affect the homes of the families they live in, right? no worries tho, the IDF are basically marvel avengers. they'll swoop in and take away the hamas baddies and the families will say "i cant be mad, they didnt kill my grandma! and my hovel we live in is left undisturbed with all 12 of our cans of beans. ty israel, i like u now".
its just like the hospital false flag. ur plan is junk and u cant admit it. wont admit it. just like u ran for a week from ur fake hospital story.
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 16 2023 08:05pm)
And yet, lets say the endpoint is that Israel establishes a DMZ, with a minefield and shoot to kill orders. After annexing large swathes of north gaza to keep a buffer with sderot and the coastal outposts, and keeping the kibbutzs evacuated like they are now. That's what I've been saying is the most likely outcomee. Now, can they achieve a strategic aim of neutering Hama's ability to kill jews, without a scorched earth campaign to raze Gaza to the ground? Hamas or islamic jihad or other militant organizations will retain control of Gaza when Israel withdraws, but if they're locked behind a minefield, what threat do they really pose? We've seen what a hundred thousand rockets can do, which is next to nothing
100% the best action. let hamas go the way of the Kims and rule over a pile of bones.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 17 2023 08:58am