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Oct 5 2023 05:53pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 02:48am)
any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?


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Oct 5 2023 05:57pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 5 2023 08:34pm)
Medea Benjamin has been pushing Russian propaganda for at least a decade, in her book she straight up blames the invasion of Ukraine on NATO just like every other Putin mouthpiece .
RT/Sputnik news (both Russian state-owned media outlets) have been pumping CodePink's tires for years now. its not hard to find out why


You said they were funded by Russia though, is that true?

What sort of Russian propaganda has she pushed? Apart from NATO being responsible for the war, which i agree with actually despite receiving exactly 0 rubles for holding this opinion.

Of course RT and Sputnik would focus on those sorts of stories from the US, that doesn't mean they are somehow in league with eachother. It's basically the same sort of propaganda the Soviet Union produced during the cold war, they highlighted social issues in the US to inflame divisions/domestic propaganda, but that doesn't mean the social issues didn't exist or that the people they wrote about were Russian agents.

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any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?


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The 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to buy time for Ukraine. Ukraine used this time to become stronger, as you can see today. Ukraine in 2014-2015 and Ukraine today are not the same.

-Merkel


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/12/13/merkels-confession-could-be-a-pretext-for-an-international-tribunal/

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Oct 5 2023 06:14pm
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so Merkel said this

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"The 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to buy time for Ukraine. Ukraine used this time to become stronger, as you can see today. Ukraine in 2014-2015 and Ukraine today are not the same."


is that all? really?

so the fact that Ukraine was allowed to 'become stronger' warranted Russia's invation? :blink:
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Oct 5 2023 06:27pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 5 2023 09:14pm)
so Merkel said this



is that all? really?

so the fact that Ukraine was allowed to 'become stronger' warranted Russia's invation? :blink:


You asked for a source on the claim the other guy made, I posted one for you that talks about her comments

And no, if you have to ask such a bizarre question you should probably just avoid the topic completely because you aren't educated enough on it to add anything

You missed my reply regarding code pink btw

Will repost for convenience :D
You said they were funded by Russia though, is that true?

What sort of Russian propaganda has she pushed? Apart from NATO being responsible for the war, which i agree with actually despite receiving exactly 0 rubles for holding this opinion.

Of course RT and Sputnik would focus on those sorts of stories from the US, that doesn't mean they are somehow in league with eachother. It's basically the same sort of propaganda the Soviet Union produced during the cold war, they highlighted social issues in the US to inflame divisions/domestic propaganda, but that doesn't mean the social issues didn't exist or that the people they wrote about were Russian agents.

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Oct 5 2023 06:36pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 03:14am)
so the fact that Ukraine was allowed to 'become stronger' warranted Russia's invation? :blink:


The fact that top NATO members have colluded to deceive & lie to Russia about Ukraine's neutrality in order to buy time to prepare for war shows NATO intentionally provoked the conflict.

You know the thing you falsely claimed was untrue, and proved to be too dumb to even know about mere minutes ago

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 02:48am)
any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 02:48am)
any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?

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any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?


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The fact that top NATO members have colluded to deceive & lie to Russia about Ukraine's neutrality in order to buy time to prepare for war shows NATO intentionally provoked the conflict.

You know the thing you falsely claimed was untrue, and proved to be too dumb to even know about mere minutes ago


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Oct 5 2023 07:46pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 5 2023 05:27pm)
You asked for a source on the claim the other guy made, I posted one for you that talks about her comments


the quote was all that was relevant and its honestly not half as bad as youre making it out to be.
your link has comments from the literal Russian press director. the fact that Maria Zakharova, a Russian bureaucrat, thinks Merkel's comments are enough to warrant a tribunal is fucking hilarious

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 5 2023 05:27pm)
You missed my reply regarding code pink btw

What sort of Russian propaganda has she pushed? Apart from NATO being responsible for the war, which i agree with actually despite receiving exactly 0 rubles for holding this opinion.


look at their website for fucks sake lol
if you want to actually read an article on the history of their shenanigans, check this out - https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/443275-calling-out-code-pinks-ignorance-and-hypocrisy/

the rich husband of codepink's co-founder is directly tied to groups that promote pro-Chinese/Russian propaganda in addition to promoting anti-Nato/anti-US Ukraine aid messaging. he describes himself as a socialist and publicly said that Venezuela under Chavez was a "phenomenally democratic place"
he was also in legal trouble in India 2 years ago for giving $5 million to an Indian News Site to push pro-Chinese propaganda in Indian media. are you starting to get a grasp on the kind of people codepink consists of? this guy is one of their biggest financial backers (that we know of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham

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In August 2023, The New York Times reported[23] that Singham works closely with the Chinese government and state media, and donates to various groups, news organizations and entities through non-profit groups and shell companies which spread pro-Chinese government messages. The non-profits distributing the funding included the United Community Fund, Justice and Education Fund and People's Support Foundation, have addresses at UPS store mailboxes in Illinois, Wisconsin and New York, and headed by Jodie Evans or former ThoughtWorks employees. Funded groups include: an Indian-based independent news site, NewsClick, that the Times described as having "sprinkled its coverage with Chinese government talking points"; in South Africa the Nkrumah School, the Socialist Revolutionary Workers Party and the New Frame news startup[24] (whose editor had resigned in 2022 citing its "soft coverage" of China and Russia); the Brasil de Fato newspaper in Brazil; and activist groups No Cold War, Code Pink, People’s Forum, and Tricontinental in the United States. In response to the Times report, Singham said that he was not a "member of, work for, take orders from, or follow instructions of any political party or government or their representatives".[9]


Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 5 2023 05:27pm)
Of course RT and Sputnik would focus on those sorts of stories from the US, that doesn't mean they are somehow in league with eachother. It's basically the same sort of propaganda the Soviet Union produced during the cold war, they highlighted social issues in the US to inflame divisions/domestic propaganda, but that doesn't mean the social issues didn't exist or that the people they wrote about were Russian agents.


I agree with most of this but I absolutely believe that they are in cahoots, at least to some degree

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Oct 5 2023 07:50pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Oct 5 2023 05:36pm)
The fact that top NATO members have colluded to deceive & lie to Russia about Ukraine's neutrality in order to buy time to prepare for war shows NATO intentionally provoked the conflict.

You know the thing you falsely claimed was untrue, and proved to be too dumb to even know about mere minutes ago


a "neutral" Ukraine in Russia's eyes is a weak and defenseless sucker. Putin annexed Crimea in 2014, that was the nail in the coffin for any kind of lasting peace.
they have every right in the world to build their defenses after Putin broke the treaty in place. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. just because Putin is a giant pussy doesnt mean his fear warrants an invasion of a sovereign country. get the fuck out of here

what is it with Trumpers loving right wing authoritarians? are you guys too scared to live in a democracy?

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Oct 5 2023 08:10pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 02:34am)
in her book she straight up blames the invasion of Ukraine on NATO just like every other Putin mouthpiece.

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 02:48am)
any sources or is this a "just trust me bro" moment?

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 04:46am)
the quote was all that was relevant and its honestly not half as bad as youre making it out to be.

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 6 2023 04:50am)
a "neutral" Ukraine in Russia's eyes is a weak and defenseless sucker. Putin annexed Crimea in 2014, that was the nail in the coffin for any kind of lasting peace.
they have every right in the world to build their defenses after Putin broke the treaty in place. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. just because Putin is a giant pussy doesnt mean his fear warrants an invasion of a sovereign country. get the fuck out of here

Classic brainwashed leftist cycle is complete.

"It's not happening" -> "It's a conspiracy" -> "Might've happened but not nearly as bad as u say" -> "JUST KIDDING Yes it happened & it's good ackshually"

Happy to publicly display your INSANE goalpost shifting journey from from "NATO lying to Russia is a Russian conspiracy theory" all the way to "It's a good thing that NATO lied to Russia while having no intentions to honor the accords, and using the scam as opportunity to prepare for the now inevitable future war they just incited instead".

Just sad about your effortless steps from "uninformed obliviousness about the evil act in question" to "unquestioning support of the evil act in question". The bulk or the drones worshipping NATO are exactly as dumb as you.


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