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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 15 2021 07:52pm)
No, wait - I don't dispute that SK has eventually turned into a huge success story. I just don't think that it's an example of nation building.
Sure, there has been constant troop presence, but there were very little efforts at democratization (otherwise SK would not have been a repressive police state for decades) or building up institutions.


Is that a requirement?
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Is that a requirement?


For nation building? Yes.

How would you define nation building, and how would you distinguish nation building from the mere presence of military troops in a foreign country?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 15 2021 09:13pm)
For nation building? Yes.

How would you define nation building, and how would you distinguish nation building from the mere presence of military troops in a foreign country?


To me, nation building results in stability. A dictatorship is perfectly acceptable in certain circumstances IMO. As for troops, I think there's the concept of occupation where a nation is under subjugation and then theirs the aspect of relying on a foreign power for security and peacekeeping. Ultimately, I think a successful "built nation" is one that doesn't require foreign troops to resolve domestic disputes AND it's a nation that is decently friendly to the "builder."

For Afghanistan, it's pretty clear that democracy can't work and some sort of tribal council would have been a better option. Perhaps it would have been better to have a third party broker a deal as well. I'm sure this will be studied for decades.
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Wow after what people are showing what's happening in Afghanistan now
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Man... Had to log in to say you guys are such a fucking joke lol. Shit administration, shit citizens. America now is barely 1/10 of what your ancestors America.

Yet, you guys still sitting being nonchalant while you guys just handed 80B+ in Blackhawks ,missiles, munitions, guns , anti tank to Afghanistan/China over a war you guys lost after 20 years . You guys bankrupted your country over it yet you fucking lost 20 years later...

No wonder you guys obese and believe in Covid lol. Bunch of clowns.

Keep voting for people like Trump and Biden you dumbfuck.

Keep giving full month to fucking transgenders who are the poison of this world why you guys only give one day to yall veteran who died for this country which is a fucking shitshow in 2021.

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Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 15 2021 11:00pm)


The picture is close enough, but it's unclear to me that people were being evacuated off the roof. I don't think they were.
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Aug 16 2021 02:18am)
Yet, you guys still sitting being nonchalant while you guys just handed 80B+ in Blackhawks ,missiles, munitions, guns , anti tank to Afghanistan/China over a war you guys lost after 20 years . You guys bankrupted your country over it yet you fucking lost 20 years later...


America is a rich country... we can spend trillions on boondoggles like Iraq and Afghanistan and still have a manageable debt burden.
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Afghanistan has fallen. Where is Biden?................................i bet at the icecream store, chocolate chocolate chip OOOOOOO AHHHHHHH OOOOOOOO
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