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Nov 17 2023 01:31am
Quote (Many_Names @ 17 Nov 2023 15:30)
So you want me to share a country with people who brutally killed children and babies point blank?
People who hates us because some book says it 1400 years ago… no


I don't think I posted anything saying that you should share. I said a one state solution.
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Nov 17 2023 01:37am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 17 Nov 2023 09:31)
I don't think I posted anything saying that you should share. I said a one state solution.


1 state solution is not viable.
There 40 muslim countries 22 Arab countries vs 1 Jewish country
We are willing to live on our swords for it.

Gaza was part of Egypt so Egyptians can absorb them if they like.
They are also sunni muslims, they are over 120 million people so absorbing 2 mil will be easy.
They share the same ideology same faith same language.
Arafat the biggest leader of palestinians was born in cairo, egypt
Furthermore the international community will send aid to Egypt for their solution and everyone happy.

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Nov 17 2023 01:41am
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 17 2023 08:37am)
1 state solution is not viable.
There 40 muslim countries 22 Arab countries vs 1 Jewish country
We are willing to live on our swords for it.

Gaza was part of Egypt so Egyptians can absorb them if they like.
They are also sunni muslims, they are over 120 million people so absorbing 2 mil will be easy.
They share the same ideology same faith same language.
Arafat the biggest leader of palestinians was born in cairo, egypt
Furthermore the international community will send aid to Egypt for their solution and everyone happy.


How about my solution with the trash island and leave "israel" to the 4 million gazans left?

Why not?
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Nov 17 2023 01:43am
Quote (Many_Names @ 17 Nov 2023 15:37)
1 state solution is not viable.
There 40 muslim countries 22 Arab countries vs 1 Jewish state.
We are willing to live on our swords for it.

Gaza was part of Egypt so Egyptians can absorb them if they like.
They are also sunni muslims, they are over 120 million people so absorbing 2 mil will be easy.
They share the same ideology same faith same language.
Arafat the biggest leader of palestinians was born in cairo, egypt
Furthermore the international community will send aid to Egypt for their solution and everyone happy.


That is not possible. The Egyptians wouldn't take them because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Most of us conveniently forgot about the Arab Spring and how the Muslim Brotherhood cause the fall or is one of the major reason of the Hosni Mubarak government collapse although some might say this is disputed.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a destabilizing factor and force in Arab Politics.

Hamas is the militant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, correct me if I am wrong.

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How about my solution with the trash island and leave "israel" to the 4 million gazans left?

Why not?


Great idea.
Who’s a good boy ? You are !
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ 17 Nov 2023 16:00)
Great idea.
Who’s a good boy ? You are !


I have an unpopular opinion. Completely take over Gaza, rebuilt and slowly let in bit by bit through stringent checks on those that are not radicalized and have a robust assimilation plan and resettlement.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 17 2023 10:03am)
I have an unpopular opinion. Completely take over Gaza, rebuilt and slowly let in bit by bit through stringent checks on those that are not radicalized and have a robust assimilation plan and resettlement.


The west way of thinking is that if those people will be better off financially then they’ll be satisfied and things will be ok. I used to write what I’m writing now in the past and I got flamed here a lot for doing so , but it is what it is. The Middle East has different mentality than the west in that matter. We can groom them all we like but they’ll still want to go back to “their home” in Haifa or whatever. Even that they never saw it.
Btw, blood revenge is still something that goes on in their culture. One of the dead of 7 oct is a Muslim Bedouin. His family already placed a 1 million dollars reward for those who will give the names of the killers and they stated that they will “close the deal” with them even if it will take a lifetime. Just for you to understand, a family is in fact something around 6K Bedouins.

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The west way of thinking is that if those people will be better off financially then they’ll be satisfied and things will be ok. I used to write what I’m writing now in the past and I got flamed here a lot for doing so , but it is what it is. The Middle East has different mentality than the west in that matter. We can groom them all we like but they’ll still want to go back to “their home” in Haifa or whatever. Even that they never saw it.


If they are not religiously fanatical , financial stability helps a lot. But Israel is located at the Ground Zero of Muslim Zealotry.
You cannot change or groom them. You can manage them, a insignificant population can be well managed, it can be done and after a couple of generations their inclinations towards radicalism will slowly subside and fizzle off.
There will still be nationalistic , animalistic and tribal mentality within some of course, it cannot be eradicated completely.

But due to the small numbers, such individuals can be coaxed out of or reeducated with compassion to be civilized human beings and stake holder of a country.
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Nov 17 2023 02:29am
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That is not possible. The Egyptians wouldn't take them because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Most of us conveniently forgot about the Arab Spring and how the Muslim Brotherhood cause the fall or is one of the major reason of the Hosni Mubarak government collapse although some might say this is disputed.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a destabilizing factor and force in Arab Politics.

Hamas is the militant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, correct me if I am wrong.


We are refering to palestinians Hamas is doomed
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Nov 17 2023 02:35am
Quote (Many_Names @ 17 Nov 2023 16:29)
We are refering to palestinians Hamas is doomed


It will be reborn and invigorated and they cannot be completely eradicated, you can say they are doom, after a decade or so another group will rise up.
The Israel government needs to take a concrete step to destroy it at this current situation for now and take painful steps even if it meant that casualties will be imminent.

And enact robust policies to counter such resurgence in future. A simplistic and rather uncompassionate but possibly effective way is to move them out of Gaza and slowly let them back in bit by bit as I mentioned before.
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