Well yeah that's what I'm saying why aren't they declaring war on the US and Israel? Is it not immoral to not hold them accountable?

more like

"THE UN HATES JEWS AND IS ANTISEMITC! HOW CAN WE BE THE BAD GUYS? REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST? "

always the victim

u didnt answer my last post, shocker.

~12,000 civilians killed, 4k+ kids
200 hamas killed? 390+ IDF soldiers dead...

how did the US kill Bin Laden? intelligence and special op missions. you really think the IDF intelligence today isnt better than the US intelligence was 12 years ago?

after nearly 40 days of indiscriminate bombing, israel has lost more of its own soldiers than its killed enemies. pretty dogshit response if you ask me, not to mention the ire theyve drawn from the world and the thousands of innocents dead

its CLEARLY not about Hamas, Israel is trying to erase Palestinians

OK, so now we're getting places.

estimates place Hamas soldier count at 30,000.

so in your plan the IDF raids Gaza, and just hypothetically of course, kills something like 25,000 Hamas soldiers. 25,000 of people's fathers, brothers, sons, friends.

and this doesnt radicalize Gaza?

and those 25k soldiers aren't instantly replaced by people upset their family and friends just got killed? (hydra heads)

and in these raids how many IDF soldiers die, let's say 1 IDF for every 10 Hamas. so that's roughly 2500 IDF soldiers, and of course as the raids go on Hamas figures it out and sets more booby traps, gets more prepared, sets more guards, etc. so really 1:10 is an unlikely ratio. but we're not realy striving for minimal IDF deaths, there's been 370+ so far, we're just laying out numbers.

i remain unconvinced that this radicalizes gaza any less than what's currently being done. and again, i dont support what is being done.

as to the rest of your plan, provide supplies and help people evacuate. they're currently doing that with a daily ceasefire, and armed guards for evacuatese. and they've supplied the hospital they just raided per reports.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 16 2023 03:13pm

you dont think theres a difference between killing willing combatants vs killing babies, mothers, and eldery in terms of what it does re: radicalization? surely you cant be serious lol

here is an interesting thought exercise for you.
say your family has lived in a neighborhood for a few generations, your parents, cousins, grandparents, etc.
through the years, some of your neighbors' homes are bulldozed, maybe some of your own family members are beaten, dehumanized, targeted with harassment, forced to go through checkpoints twice a day just to do your job, jailed, etc. just for being Palestinian, right?
slowly a few of your neighbors are tired of being treated as less than human and they join Hamas. maybe you don't agree with their decision but you understand their rage. years go by, more of your neighbors are joining because the harassment is getting worse.
now your house has been bombed, your mother and father and sisters are dead. you have nowhere to go. who do you think you are going to be mad at, Israel and the IDF or are you going to be mad at Hamas?

any human being with a brain can understand that soldiers know what they are signing up for. its sad when they are killed but its an inherent risk. civilians, on the other hand, aren't generally expected to die in military conflict especially if theyre children or elderly. there is FAR more outrage when innocent people die vs soldiers dying. your assertion that Palestinian people value Hamas members' lives on the same level as their family members is ridiculous. killing Hamas members will absolutely not radicalize the entire strip. most of these poor people are worried about where to move to next because theyre fearing for their lives, they arent about to join Hamas. think about this seriously

This post was edited by gnarjay on Nov 16 2023 03:35pm

If Israel does nothing there will still be radicalized Palestinians. There will still be Hezbollah, Isis, Houthis, Al Shabaab, Taleban...
There will always be radicalized Islamic terrorists as long as Saudi, Iran, Qatar, Syria and others are funding/arming terrorist groups.

And if it does nothing Hamas will have the capacity to attack as it did on 7/10 and how it has attacked for years.

By acting Israel can remove Hamas' ability to attack.

sounds like lefties



might be about oil

I highly doubt the radicalization process happens over night. People take time to grieve, process, and then hate to fester to move them to action.

What's currently happening of course will cause more people there to hate Israel (most probably already did, just not enough to say fuck it and go snackbar) and then will probably fuel the next wave of Hamas recruits. That's why these wars happen in spurts, with flare ups, call it every few years.

Israel's logic in what they are currently doing, at least the way I see it, is to so damage the Hamas organizational structure that it would become extremely difficult to rebuild. Only real way is scorched earth tactics. I think they think if they succeed, they can disrupt this endless cycle of every few years having mini-wars.

Reality is there's no ideal solution here. They either go in and accept the high casualties or they don't dismantle the Hamas organization. If they don't dismantle then the cycle above is repeated. If they somehow succeed maybe that cycle is broken.