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Oct 5 2023 12:31pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 5 Oct 2023 14:28)
'go home, have respect for law enforcement, be peaceful' = INCITING VIOLENCE AND INSURRECTION

meanwhile, peaceful activism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsEeYFDlKXc#t=5m40s


chants of hang mike pence

chants of hang Pelosi

breaking of windows

beating of police officers

a literal noose brought with a trump 2020 flag

trump telling people to fight like hell
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Oct 5 2023 01:08pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 5 2023 01:28pm)
'go home, have respect for law enforcement, be peaceful' = INCITING VIOLENCE AND INSURRECTION

meanwhile, peaceful activism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsEeYFDlKXc#t=5m40s


free speech means the KKK is allowed to march down main street in full regalia. only violation i see here is a few people on the lawn.
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Oct 5 2023 01:15pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 5 2023 02:08pm)
free speech means the KKK is allowed to march down main street in full regalia. only violation i see here is a few people on the lawn.


Harassing and threatening private citizens at their homes and calling for violence against them. I mean, his son did go on to murder 5 folks

Quote (Crunkt @ Oct 5 2023 01:31pm)
chants of hang mike pence
chants of hang Pelosi
breaking of windows
beating of police officers
a literal noose brought with a trump 2020 flag


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trump telling people to fight like hell


Weird how the part where you listed what the politician actually says, versus what random shitters of no importance are saying, comes up with such a drastic difference in tone and meaning.
Trump didn't go out to Mike Pence's home and tell an angry mob to torch the neighborhood.
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Oct 5 2023 01:19pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 5 2023 02:15pm)
Harassing and threatening private citizens at their homes and calling for violence against them. I mean, his son did go on to murder 5 folks





Weird how the part where you listed what the politician actually says, versus what random shitters of no importance are saying, comes up with such a drastic difference in tone and meaning.
Trump didn't go out to Mike Pence's home and tell an angry mob to torch the neighborhood.


im a free speech absolutist, so i dont respect the concept of threats, harassment, or calling for violence. there is violence, and there is speech, and they are not connected.

i want to live in a country where a white man can scream the n word in a black mans face, get punched, and the black guy goes to jail and the white man is fired from his job and becomes a social pariah.
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Oct 5 2023 01:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 5 2023 04:15pm)
Harassing and threatening private citizens at their homes and calling for violence against them. I mean, his son did go on to murder 5 folks





Weird how the part where you listed what the politician actually says, versus what random shitters of no importance are saying, comes up with such a drastic difference in tone and meaning.
Trump didn't go out to Mike Pence's home and tell an angry mob to torch the neighborhood.


"Fight like hell"

Obviously a dog whistle to storm the capitol and hang Mike Pence

I wonder if linguists will ever study how a group as supposedly backwards and uneducated as the average Trump voter managed to develop such a complicated system of code :huh:
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Oct 5 2023 01:25pm
when even completely brain-dead trump cultists and hardcore magats are "smart" enough to understand the endless dog whistles, but pard's right wingers have to (pretend to) be even dumber in order to act like they didn't exist, lol...
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Oct 5 2023 01:27pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 5 2023 02:19pm)
im a free speech absolutist, so i dont respect the concept of threats, harassment, or calling for violence. there is violence, and there is speech, and they are not connected.

i want to live in a country where a white man can scream the n word in a black mans face, get punched, and the black guy goes to jail and the white man is fired from his job and becomes a social pariah.


I think society has always recognized a baseline of civil conduct and stepping outside of that to be a shitflinging gibbon gets you arrested and booked on minor disorderly conduct charges. After all, civil liberties are fundamentally a tradeoff being private and public rights, person against government and vice versa, but also person vs person. Should a heavily racist angry mob be able to park itself outside a guy's home and scream racial epithets at him and threaten to murder him and we'll just trust to society to disown and shun them? I think the hated minorities of history might not sure in the absolutism

Its up to the government to keep the peace, for the people's sake. And that can be a balancing act when it comes to political speech by zealots, and the most obvious line in the sand is when police have to make the call about a political protest turning into an unlawful assembly and give orders to disperse. If the state isn't protecting the public from the rioters, they're violating the liberties of 'everyone else'
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Oct 5 2023 01:28pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 5 2023 02:22pm)
"Fight like hell"

Obviously a dog whistle to storm the capitol and hang Mike Pence

I wonder if linguists will ever study how a group as supposedly backwards and uneducated as the average Trump voter managed to develop such a complicated system of code :huh:



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Oct 5 2023 01:38pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 5 2023 02:27pm)
I think society has always recognized a baseline of civil conduct and stepping outside of that to be a shitflinging gibbon gets you arrested and booked on minor disorderly conduct charges. After all, civil liberties are fundamentally a tradeoff being private and public rights, person against government and vice versa, but also person vs person. Should a heavily racist angry mob be able to park itself outside a guy's home and scream racial epithets at him and threaten to murder him and we'll just trust to society to disown and shun them? I think the hated minorities of history might not sure in the absolutism

Its up to the government to keep the peace, for the people's sake. And that can be a balancing act when it comes to political speech by zealots, and the most obvious line in the sand is when police have to make the call about a political protest turning into an unlawful assembly and give orders to disperse. If the state isn't protecting the public from the rioters, they're violating the liberties of 'everyone else'


10 years ago i'd say they'd be just fine, today they'd have their names and employers online inside of 15 mins after it goes viral. social media is largely a plague, but one thing it has done is given over power to people to hold people accountable in ways that were previously not available.

on that same topic pornography used to be a big deal, because it was so well regulated (even if everyone knew that one kid who's dad was way too neglectful with his collection). now a days why even bother to try and uphold standards of decency in media that's publicly offered? when any teenager can view more porn in 30 seconds than our generation could view in a lifetime under previous standards.

history means nothing in the internet age, expression is the last freedom we'll retain moving forward. the freedom to express yourself out of civilized society included.
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