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Nov 16 2023 01:17pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 16 2023 10:35am)
condemning hamas and wanting them to go unpunished aren't contradictory.

hamas are cowards, they hide behind human shields. the only way to punish hamas is to take away their ability to operate as a terrorist network.

what's the alternative, turn the other cheek and pour billions of aid into gaza until they're so unpopular that some time, likely 20-30 years from now, the people elect a new slightly better terrorist group govt. or optimistically a islamic govt that's not terrorist but still hate's israel?

that's what i want, but its not punishment for hamas. u can condemn their actions, condemn their existence, and still recognize its better they get away with it if it means less civilians die. that's brave. pretending that some super elite commando group should enter tunnels and kill only hamas soldiers while gazans are entirely spared is lying. maybe that's not what u think, idk because i have to wade in a soup of "apartheid", "ethnic cleansing", "open air prison", and other buzzwords to get to actual reality. actual plans.

state simply, what should israel have done from october 8th to now, and what should they do now since that didnt happen. then i can agree, or disagree, and let it be.



the alternative is to help the Palestinian people so Hamas looks like even bigger assholes and consequently lose support! its so fucking simple lol

what do you think makes more sense if your goal is to eliminate Hamas???

1) respond with disproportionate force -> kill of tens of thousands of innocent people -> radicalize another generation against Israel -> create more Hamas supporters

OR

2) specifically target Hamas and limit civilian deaths, help people that want out, stop turning off water/power/telecoms, and give aid to the people that need it
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Nov 16 2023 01:39pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 16 2023 01:17pm)
the alternative is to help the Palestinian people so Hamas looks like even bigger assholes and consequently lose support! its so fucking simple lol

what do you think makes more sense if your goal is to eliminate Hamas???

1) respond with disproportionate force -> kill of tens of thousands of innocent people -> radicalize another generation against Israel -> create more Hamas supporters

OR

2) specifically target Hamas and limit civilian deaths, help people that want out, stop turning off water/power/telecoms, and give aid to the people that need it


"Specifically target hamas", a term ive heard hundreds of times in this thread with zero specifics on how to do that.

but even "eliminate hamas", plenty of ways to interpret that. israel, imo, is going about that by eliminating their ability to strike as a terrorist network. u cant kill a hydra by chopping off heads, u go for the heart. gaza city, and its terror tunnels and underground rocket storage and manufacturing, is the heart. not the soldiers. the soldiers are meat to hamas, and replaced daily by their friend, brothers, etc.

but destroying gaza city sets them back years, eliminates their ability to strike israel, and ability to easily hide. they'll restart somewhere else, and israel knows that. but with enough distance they could lose most of their effectiveness.
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Nov 16 2023 02:05pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Nov 2023 19:21)
peace is a fun ideal, but its not always feasible..

What is a "funny deal" is to watch how these neo-zionists are dragging U.S into a mud bath.

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i dont think right now peace is the goal at all, safety, but not peace.

After Iraq war2 and now Gaza massacre, the real "safety" is more into cancelling U.S and sanctioning Israel far right gov.
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Nov 16 2023 02:11pm
It is crazy how bad Israeli propaganda is but I guess if the goal is convincing Americans to support their ethnic cleansing it doesn't have to be very good, they will believe anything it seems.
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What is a "funny deal" is to watch how these neo-zionists are dragging U.S into a mud bath.


After Iraq war2 and now Gaza massacre, the real "safety" is more into cancelling U.S and sanctioning Israel far right gov.


"OH NO, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, ANYTHING BUT UN CONDEMNATION" -israel.

LOL
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"OH NO, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, ANYTHING BUT UN CONDEMNATION" -israel.
LOL


good karma overdose ?
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 16 2023 12:36pm)
good karma overdose ?


I'm curious why do none of these UN nations who hate US and Israel declare war on them? "Genocide" is a legitimate casus belli

Put their money where their mouth is. Otherwise they're just barking dogs

This post was edited by El1te on Nov 16 2023 02:44pm
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I'm curious why do none of these UN nations who hate US and Israel declare war on them? "Genocide" is a legitimate casus belli

Put their money where their mouth is. Otherwise they're just barking dogs


Most Arab nations care more about Hamas being destroyed than Gazan civilians. They just don't openly admit it.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 16 2023 02:46pm
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Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 16 2023 11:17am)
the alternative is to help the Palestinian people so Hamas looks like even bigger assholes and consequently lose support! its so fucking simple lol

what do you think makes more sense if your goal is to eliminate Hamas???

1) respond with disproportionate force -> kill of tens of thousands of innocent people -> radicalize another generation against Israel -> create more Hamas supporters

OR

2) specifically target Hamas and limit civilian deaths, help people that want out, stop turning off water/power/telecoms, and give aid to the people that need it


islam already radicalizes them. its really a site to see rainbow people rally around islam
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Nov 16 2023 02:51pm
Quote (El1te @ 16 Nov 2023 21:44)
I'm curious why do none of these UN nations who hate US and Israel declare war on them? "Genocide" is a legitimate casus belli
Put their money where their mouth is. Otherwise they're just barking dogs


Hopefully not everyone is ignorant about what was done over the last decades. It didn't happen in a vacuum.
If you want mouths and barking dogs i have some nice example from one of your old quote asking for wiping a whole country, not more, not less.
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