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Apr 6 2022 01:22pm
Quote (fender @ 6 Apr 2022 18:58)
which one? zelensky? soros? those are two already

Just for the record: it was Zelensky who publicly rooted for Orban's ousting in the run-up to the Hungarian election, so we can neither blame Orban for including him in his list of antagonists, nor is this particular fact indicative of anti-semitism on Orban's side.
There is other evidence for said anti-semitism, but this recent Orban/Zelensky feud is not part of it.

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Just for the record: it was Zelensky who publicly rooted for Orban's ousting in the run-up to the Hungarian election, so we can neither blame Orban for including him in his list of antagonists, nor is this particular fact indicative of anti-semitism on Orban's side.
There is other evidence for said anti-semitism, but this recent Orban/Zelensky feud is not part of it.


oh and why do you think zelensky rooted against the fascist, authoritarian, anti-semitic tropes abusing, pootin friendly, EU-critic orban? it's fascinating how no angle is dishonest enough for you not to try and make excuses for right-wing authoritarians, lol.

i wonder what came first?

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/
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Apr 6 2022 01:38pm
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oh and why do you think zelensky rooted against the fascist, authoritarian, anti-semitic tropes abusing, pootin friendly, EU-critic orban? it's fascinating how no angle is dishonest enough for you not to try and make excuses for right-wing authoritarians, lol.

i wonder what came first?

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/


You just posted the answer to your own question: the preference of the Ukrainian government for Marki-Zay over Orban was based on Orban's closeness to Putin rather than his anti-democratic tendencies or anti-semitism.

Look, I get where Zelensky was coming from, but it's a big diplomatic blunder to say the quiet part out loud and publicly announce which side you're rooting for in your neighbor's election. Orban reacting to that is perfectly normal and just not indicative of anti-semitism. Do you seriously think Orban only told the guy who had just called for his ousting to fuck off because that guy happens to be a jew?

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You just posted the answer to your own question: the preference of the Ukrainian government for Marki-Zay over Orban was based on Orban's closeness to Putin rather than his anti-democratic tendencies or anti-semitism.

Look, I get where Zelensky was coming from, but it's a big diplomatic blunder to say the quiet part out loud and publicly announce which side you're rooting for in your neighbor's election. Orban reacting to that is perfectly normal and just not indicative of anti-Semitism. Do you seriously think Orban only told the guy who had just called for his ousting to fuck off because that guy happens to be a jew?



Ha, clearly you’ve never been to Hungary and seen the propaganda that his state media pushes.
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Ha, clearly you’ve never been to Hungary and seen the propaganda that his state media pushes.


I am not commenting on the broader point of anti-semitism in Orban's Hungary, I am commenting on the notion that the Orban/Zelensky feud is (supposed to be) further evidence for this anti-semitism.

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You just posted the answer to your own question: the preference of the Ukrainian government for Marki-Zay over Orban was based on Orban's closeness to Putin rather than his anti-democratic tendencies or anti-semitism.

Look, I get where Zelensky was coming from, but it's a big diplomatic blunder to say the quiet part out loud and publicly announce which side you're rooting for in your neighbor's election. Orban reacting to that is perfectly normal and just not indicative of anti-semitism. Do you seriously think Orban only told the guy who had just called for his ousting to fuck off because that guy happens to be a jew?


unsurprisingly you naively pretend like this can't possibly be connected, like orban singling out zelensky specifically doesn't fall right within his pattern of anti-semitic dog whistling. again, no angle is too obtuse for you to make excuses for bigoted authoritarians, lol.

also, how was it a "big diplomatic blunder"? how did zelensky's calling out of pootin friend orban hurt him? are you suggesting that orban would have lost had zelensky not rooted against him publicly? ridiculous...

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oh, so it's YOU who decides who is a "real" jew and who isn't? interesting. are there any concrete criteria you use to determine the "jewishness" of of a person? or is it just "whatever justifies my chosen narrative"? and again, it's wrong to begin with, you're just scrambling to make excuses for an obvious anti-semite:

https://www.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-anti-semitism-problem-hungary-jews/


nice job dodging literally everything
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 6 Apr 2022 21:56)
nice job dodging literally everything


dafuq? are you commenting on your own post there? i literally asked you direct follow-up questions regarding your ridiculous claim that orban hates only one jew, and even provided further evidence (something you unsurprisingly haven't done for ages) to support my point. only one person is "dodging" here, ampootin.
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Apr 6 2022 02:00pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 6 2022 08:30pm)
oh and why do you think zelensky rooted against the fascist, authoritarian, anti-semitic tropes abusing, pootin friendly, EU-critic orban? it's fascinating how no angle is dishonest enough for you not to try and make excuses for right-wing authoritarians, lol.

i wonder what came first?

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/


zelensky is very xenophobic lmao. don't worry about it.
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Apr 6 2022 02:03pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 6 2022 09:58pm)
dafuq? are you commenting on your own post there? i literally asked you direct follow-up questions regarding your ridiculous claim that orban hates only one jew, and even provided further evidence (something you unsurprisingly haven't done for ages) to support my point. only one person is "dodging" here, ampootin.


you asked for soros input, i gave it

too many facts there so you decided to dodge it all and concentrate on something that is not even the subject

seriously.......
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