Quote (ferdia @ 16 Nov 2023 20:29)

Ok lets try a different way:

All of this is fine if you admit that Israel is ethnic cleansing the Palestinians.

The statement above is in direct response to your comment, and should not be responded to. I am merely trying to highlight how the below, from you, is like the above, i.e. an inappropriate and misleading statement.

all of that's fine if you just admit you want hamas to get away with it.

Indirectly suggesting what you believe my thoughts are on a point when nowhere in the thread have I done anything other then condemn hamas, is poor form.

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 16 2023 06:30pm)

Do you have any proof to support Israel is ethnic clensing?

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 16 2023 12:21pm)

peace is a fun ideal, but its not always feasible. i dont think peace was ever an option with hamas in control, and neither does israel, presumably. i dont think right now peace is the goal at all, safety, but not peace.



post, after post, after post. you keep saying "their goal is this". reply after reply you state the one goal and ignore the other.

your posts have been incredibly biased. taking evacuation calls and saying this means they want to clear out all of gaza, holy stretch.

revenge is their goal, ignoring actual security concerns and legitimate military goals they've already accomplished.

repeating buzzword twitter NPC phrases.

all of that's fine if you just admit you want hamas to get away with it. i do. i'd rather terrorists crawl back into the comfortable tunnels they came from and plan their next attack. or i'd prefer israel doesnt bomb at all and clears everything on the ground even if it means hundreds or thousands of IDF deaths.

and i can say all of that and maintain that gaza city residents if they dont support hamas are complete idiots for staying if they have any literal option to leave. 2 working legs and you're not working in a hospital, than you're a moron to be there.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 16 2023 12:29pm)

Ok lets try a different way:

All of this is fine if you admit that Israel is ethnic cleansing the Palestinians.

The statement above is in direct response to your comment, and should not be responded to. I am merely trying to highlight how the below, from you, is like the above, i.e. an inappropriate and misleading statement.

all of that's fine if you just admit you want hamas to get away with it.

Indirectly suggesting what you believe my thoughts are on a point when nowhere in the thread have I done anything other then condemn hamas, is poor form.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 16 2023 08:21pm)

peace is a fun ideal, but its not always feasible. i dont think peace was ever an option with hamas in control, and neither does israel, presumably. i dont think right now peace is the goal at all, safety, but not peace.



post, after post, after post. you keep saying "their goal is this". reply after reply you state the one goal and ignore the other.

your posts have been incredibly biased. taking evacuation calls and saying this means they want to clear out all of gaza, holy stretch.

revenge is their goal, ignoring actual security concerns and legitimate military goals they've already accomplished.

repeating buzzword twitter NPC phrases.

all of that's fine if you just admit you want hamas to get away with it. i do. i'd rather terrorists crawl back into the comfortable tunnels they came from and plan their next attack. or i'd prefer israel doesnt bomb at all and clears everything on the ground even if it means hundreds or thousands of IDF deaths.

and i can say all of that and maintain that gaza city residents if they dont support hamas are complete idiots for staying if they have any literal option to leave. 2 working legs and you're not working in a hospital, than you're a moron to be there.

Quote (Bazi @ 16 Nov 2023 20:33)

Peace SHOULD be the ideal. When you have Hamas, and their counterpart Netanyahu, running the show, then agreed peace remains an ideal. Nevertheless An ideal the world should still strive for. You’re not getting meaningful and lasting safety without it, regardless of DMZ or iron dome. Law of averages

At this point it’s clear neither Hamas nor Netanyahu will survive in the time to come, so for a chance peace is actually a plausible outcome here. Probably the first real chance in a few decades, especially in WB.

But those prospects will be increasingly hindered with unironic radical civilian:terrorist death ratios like this.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 16 2023 12:37pm)

^Baz

I have no deep knowledge of the state of the Israeli political establishment. As far as I was aware the current leader, is a moderate(!). I do not see a pacifist becoming leader of Israel following these events, therefore the idea of a peace deal, with anyone, looks very very far fetched.

Quote (Bazi @ Nov 16 2023 12:44pm)

I don’t have deep knowledge at all, and like all am at the mercy of media outlets. I frequent times of Israel for this topic

Netanyahu is not a moderate by any stretch, perhaps only when compared to his extremely R wing cabinet that he had no choice to appoint in order to stay in power.

He was polling poorly before October 7th and every week he’s breaking his own records. Per times of Israel, approximately 4% of the Israeli population believe he is a reliable source for war information.

The replacement will either:

Be more left and a potentially an actual good faith actor in a quest for a peaceful 2 state solution

Be more right and honest that 2 state solution is a dream and seek a one state solution

Both stances are superior to the status quo and will provide longer lasting peace. Up to Israeli population what next but as they have accurately determine anything is better than the failed last decade