The true threat to democracy is the one that cries wolf.

You'll have to be more specific, junior.

Allow me to assist.

The ONLY real threat to democracy would be if the Dems had the presidency, the Senate and the House.
It was a close call, but the Insane-ocrats, couldn't pull it off.

Most people know that this election was fraudulent. Deeply unpopular President, worst inflation in a generation, no control over the border, increasing crime, no control over the fentanyl/narc crisis, increasing homelessness, degrading of American international power, degrading of the world order, massive Republican advantage across the board in the pre-election polls, and more. Yet, here we are, with almost nothing changed, which counts as a technical victory for the deeply unpopular regime responsible for all these problems. And, despite a decisive popular vote advantage for Republicans. Note: there were already articles prepping the public for fraud on the Republican side!

"But what about abortion?" - Abortion was polling as a low priority before the election, even among Democrats. I would believe it moved the needle a tiny bit, but not enough to have this much effect.
"Low quality Republican candidates" - Fetterman won convincingly. Fetterman is clinically retarded. Katie Hobbs, who couldn't get a crowd of 15 together while Kari Lake inspired huge crowds, also won. I hear story after story, there were Republican lawn signs everywhere, and hardly any Dem. People completely bamboozled as to why the incumbent Democrats largely stayed in power.
"Prove it lulz" - To do that materially, one would need to conquer the United States militarily and force their way into the halls of power.
"So why do you believe it's fraud" - We've seen enough. As I said, it cannot be proven materially, because those who have a monopoly on violence don't want anyone to prove it materially. There's been far too many coincidences, surprises, flukes, accidents, 2AM ballot drops that go 99%+ Democrat between 2020 and 2022, and *all* of these cute little events favor the Democrats. Every one of them. Mail drops with literally zero votes for Trump? A 99% counted race with Boebert ahead at 50.2% and they're going to "cure" just enough ballots to beat her? States that eliminated mail-in trickery going deeply red in 2022 (Florida), while states that expanded mail-in voting trending blue despite all of the red wave indicators?

This is the sort of thing that crumbles a nation. No, not "Our Democracy(tm)" I mean the fabric of a society. Trust in rules and institutions. I do not mind losing fairly, knowing that my beliefs are in the minority. But all indicators from pre-election polls show that my beliefs in 2022 were not in the minority, and that my side lost because the game is rigged. That is a problem. There's no coming back from that, and only one way this ends, eventually.

Lol

Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary, gets crushed at his midterm losing both house and senate, and becomes the first potus not to be reelected since 1932.


Amazing still some of you trumplicans claiming fraud.


What a sad life you must live.

Hopefully Donnie is back and he has dirt on RonDesanctionimous, the best dirt believe me it will be beautiful

The former President did not attempt a coup. Starting or participating in a coup is a crime, and Trump has not and will not be charged for anything remotely close. This is an example of a "hysterical" position, you're repeating debunked, extreme hyperbole, and it appears that you believe it. People justifiably question your state of mind.

Examples of undermining democracy aren't hard to find. The 1st amendment is a prerequisite for democracy, and yet it was the Biden administration that actively pressured social media companies to ban opponents of administration policy. Impartial justice is a requirement, and yet the FBI was used to pressure and mislead Facebook into suppressing a story of Biden's personal corruption. Whistleblowers have offered concrete evidence that the FBI improperly sidelined an investigation that would be devastating to Biden, all the while manipulating case facts to investigate regime opponents, including parents with school-age children who were upset at local school board curricula. You need to have free and fair elections, obviously, and yet Biden has for years attacked the credibility of democratic processes, calling a moderate Georgian reformation law "Jim Crow on steroids", despite no evidence that more stringent requirements (e.g. New York) reduce voter turnout, and similar safety requirements in place across the democratic first world.

I like how every time Biden gives a longform speech your ilk say "i know what he REALLY means, i'm fluent in secretive political messaging". then trump literally incites an angry crowd to march to where the vote is being certified explicitly and you respond "well he wasnt charge so nana nana boo boo".

trump persists in your party because your brethren are still more interested in shouting down anti-trump leftists than actually taking your party back. you're years later writing diatribes on what is and isnt an insurrection while the leftist in senate hold a mock trial to keep you divided. its sad really, low hanging fruit and you're fat on it.

The 2022 midtermssaw lots of political novices on the GOP side crash and burn because they had insane or extreme ideas and an overfocus on relitigating the past/denying past or future election results. The GOP would be well-advised to run less Doug Mastriano's, Kari Lake's or Joe Kent's in the future. This does not, however, imply that the party should fully turn on its base voters and their priorities by embracing Cheney/Kinzinger/Romney types either.

If the party leadership doesn't want its "rabid, extreme" base to pick kooky candidates, they should work behind the scenes to find candidates who are acceptable to both the base and to swing voters.

Also, let's not forget that Democrats had been very actively messing with Republican primaries this cycle. Behind the scenes, they spent millions promoting they very election deniers in GOP primaries which they were labeling as "existential threats to democracy" in public. Unfortunately, it worked like a charm and Democrats were able to pick up all the races in which they had pushed deeply flawed Republican candidates to their party's nomination. The GOP base of course bears some blame for this too since they fell for the ruse and were all too happy to go with glaringly weak candidates. The whole party, from the rank and file up to the leadership, need to learn from their mistakes.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 16 2022 01:12pm

Finally the split inside US bipartism happened like anywhere else in the free world. Thus I don't see much of Union penetrating US democratic party. Big business rules.