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May 7 2022 08:05am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 7 2022 11:44am)
no, it's disgusting to see that black women in USA have more birth problems like in emergent / third world countries.



Thus, ignoring your low balled insults, i know that majority of libertarians are ok with abortion, right ?


you just don't understand their culture.

they just need more bananas in their diet.

for potassium of course.
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May 7 2022 08:06am
Quote (JessiWan @ May 7 2022 09:37am)
No one is saying the unborn is a person. We are saying that it's human life. And when you intentionally end a human life, it's murder.


It's not a human life, its living human tissue up until a certain point. A human life is capable of having experience. There are points it is more like a wart than a complete human. Both are human.


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Here in Poland we also had abortion banned lately. It was also by courts as the politicians prefer to stay out and let the court decide.
The court that they previously filled with right-wingers, lol.
There were protests for like a month, but then people eventually worn out and stopped protesting.
Here abortion ban isn't a big problem, because you can go to neighbour country, which is max like 4hours drive, and get your abortion there. It will be pretty similar in USA.
Still at least two woman died because of new law. They were in the hospital with their children dying, but doctors were scared to abort while the child was still alive, so both woman and their children died instead.
If you ask me why this thing came out now, during the war with Russia, I will tell you its not coincidence. I believe some Putin agents contacted some people in USA to make chaos and riots inside USA, so that USA doesnt help the poor Ukraine people.


Could be another collaboration between "just white people helping each other" GOP and Kremlin alliance.

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It's not a human life, its living human tissue up until a certain point. A human life is capable of having experience. There are points it is more like a wart than a complete human. Both are human.


Lol, you think a wart is a human. No. In order to be human life, the entity in question has to be an organism. A wart is not an organism. The unborn, however, is an organism.

Seriously, did you take biology in high school?
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May 7 2022 08:30am
Quote (JessiWan @ May 7 2022 10:08am)
Lol, you think a wart is a human. No. In order to be human life, the entity in question has to be an organism. A wart is not an organism. The unborn, however, is an organism.

Seriously, did you take biology in high school?


A folding clump of cells is a lot like a wart. Similar material and similar ability to experience things, similar ability to process energy using ATP. Yes I've taken a college sequence and the first few weeks there isn't a brain capable of having a mind emerge from it. I would agree in later pregnancy not protected by Roe v Wade, after the first trimester, you can argue that there is a human life in there, but you can't say that a mind capable of experience is in there when there isn't a developed brain capable of a mind to emerge from. The human soul is completely encompassed and is part of this mind that has to emerge at some point, and after the first trimester is when this is and that IS currently up to the states to regulate.

They (pro birth radicals) are dangerous because they think their personal belief is objective reality. The belief is self deified like the fervent belief in monotheism, Communism, Fascism, Free Market Fundamentalism, and other totalitarian ideologies who believe that history will justify them. They are people who call themselves pro life yet murder people in churches and used nail bombs to attack crowds...lie under oath during confirmation as a court justice. Ends justify the means no matter what they are people. Dangerous men.

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A folding clump of cells is a lot like a wart. Similar material and similar ability to experience things, similar ability to process energy using ATP. Yes I've taken a college sequence and the first few weeks there isn't a brain capable of having a mind emerge from it. I would agree in later pregnancy not protected by Roe v Wade, after the first trimester, you can argue that there is a human life in there, but you can't say that a mind capable of experience is in there when there isn't a developed brain capable of a mind to emerge from. The human soul is completely encompassed and is part of this mind that has to emerge at some point, and after the first trimester is when this is and that IS currently up to the states to regulate.

They (pro birth radicals) are dangerous because they think their personal belief is objective reality. The belief is self deified like the fervent belief in monotheism, Communism, Fascism, Free Market Fundamentalism, and other totalitarian ideologies who believe that history will justify them. They are people who call themselves pro life yet murder people in churches and used nail bombs to attack crowds...lie under oath during confirmation as a court justice. Ends justify the means no matter what they are people. Dangerous men.


That's a lot of words for, "I don't know the difference between organism and tissue".
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May 7 2022 08:38am
Quote (JessiWan @ 7 May 2022 16:08)
Lol, you think a wart is a human. No. In order to be human life, the entity in question has to be an organism. A wart is not an organism. The unborn, however, is an organism.

Seriously, did you take biology in high school?


do you really think people already forgot how last time we went down that road you ended up corn-cobbing so hard, crying that only YOUR (incorrect) personal definition of murder counted? it doesn't work that way.

modern secular societies decided that a woman's right to bodily self-determination is more important than your feelings about strangers' zygotes and fetuses, and that it's not up to the government to legislate people's bodies just to appease some religious zealots. your attempts to make (flawed) biological and legal arguments won't change that, and frankly, they are rather pathetic to begin with. think whatever you like, feel whatever you like, but do yourself a favour and stop pretending like there's some kind of objective truth behind your bigoted views, there simply isn't.
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May 7 2022 08:42am
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That's a lot of words for, "I don't know the difference between organism and tissue".


A fertilized egg is an organism not important enough to legislate the bodies of America citizens over. That would end the right to liberty of a citizen for a metaphysical belief.

It's amazing the justices who have undermined the court the most seem the most shocked by the leak, AKA Thomas.

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modern secular societies decided that a woman's right to bodily self-determination is more important than your feelings about strangers' zygotes and fetuses.


lol abortion is murder and thats why its illegal after the first trimester even in your shithole of a country



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do you really think people already forgot how last time we went down that road you ended up corn-cobbing so hard, crying that only YOUR (incorrect) personal definition of murder counted? it doesn't work that way.

modern secular societies decided that a woman's right to bodily self-determination is more important than your feelings about strangers' zygotes and fetuses, and that it's not up to the government to legislate people's bodies just to appease some religious zealots. your attempts to make (flawed) biological and legal arguments won't change that, and frankly, they are rather pathetic to begin with. think whatever you like, feel whatever you like, but do yourself a favour and stop pretending like there's some kind of objective truth behind your bigoted views, there simply isn't.


It's not my "feelings".

I am sorry that logic sounds like feelings to you.
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May 7 2022 08:46am
Quote (Skinned @ May 7 2022 07:42am)
A fertilized egg is an organism not important enough to legislate the bodies of America citizens over.


It's not merely that a zygote is an organism. It's the fact that it's human life. And yes, it's totally worth it to legislate the bodies of citizens so that murder does not happen.

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That would end the right to liberty of a citizen for a metaphysical belief.


We have laws on the books criminalizing murder, because we as a society decide that murder is wrong. Is that also a "metaphysical belief"?

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