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Mar 7 2022 01:22pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 7 Mar 2022 20:19)
More tears.


-10/10

love how you completely abandoned discussing the issue of alleged "promises" to russia and fully committed to petty dodges, lol.

imagine getting owned that hard...
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Mar 7 2022 01:23pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 7 2022 08:08pm)
Because context matters. An assurance made by the president's underling that wasn't committed to in writing on the document that the heads of state signed doesn't constitute a "promise." And the level of distrust present between the superpowers at the time was astronomical.



Did NATO Eastern European states to join? I forget, Maxim.


Yep NATO has expanded to Eastern Eu countries that were in Russia's sphere of influence before that time. Not only is your memory lacking but you seem incapable to understand that such moves are going to cause tensions and finally escalation.
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Mar 7 2022 01:24pm
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love how you completely abandoned discussing the issue of alleged "promises" to russia and fully committed to petty dodges, lol.

imagine getting owned that hard...


Yep, you certainly owned me. And I was totally dodging, too. There. Can you please shut up now?
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Mar 7 2022 01:36pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 7 Mar 2022 20:24)
Yep, you certainly owned me. And I was totally dodging, too. There. Can you please shut up now?


absolutely. if you stop spreading pro-putin propaganda, i'll stop owning you. promised. consider this a contract.
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Mar 7 2022 01:37pm
This is what smart educated people have to say about this issue.

Dumb shits should sit up and take notice

Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs


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Mar 7 2022 01:37pm
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absolutely. if you stop spreading pro-putin propaganda, i'll stop owning you. promised. consider this a contract.


Who knew that fender could be humorous if he wanted to.
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Mar 7 2022 01:46pm
Quote (Djunior @ 7 Mar 2022 18:58)
Apparently you're a pos who believes the West is entitled to a sphere of influence but other powers can't. It's called egomania
It's right in there. I quote from the article that you linked
Gorbachev says:


"Violation of the spirit" ? Good luck with that !
If you think Russia has a good spirit i strongly suggest you to go live inthere with your family and to your galettes stuffed with cow dung, paid in rubles.
And not a single word against it else Putin send you to goulag.

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Mar 7 2022 01:50pm
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"Violation of the spirit" ? Good luck with that !
If you think Russia has a good spirit i strongly suggest you to go live inthere with your family and to your galettes stuffed with cow dung, paid in rubles.
And not a single word against it else Putin send you to goulag.


Russia is full of normal ordinary down to earth people.

You're mad they don't accept your "progressive" wokeism and indeed they'll never accept it ^_^
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Mar 7 2022 02:00pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 7 2022 01:23pm)
Yep NATO has expanded to Eastern Eu countries that were in Russia's sphere of influence before that time. Not only is your memory lacking but you seem incapable to understand that such moves are going to cause tensions and finally escalation.


In my haste to get out the door for lunch, I omitted the word "force" between NATO and European, which alters the comment significantly. It should have read "Did NATO force Eastern European states to join? I forget, Maxim."

And we all know the answer. Everyone who joined ASKED to do so. It's funny how no one wants to be under Russia's "influence."

Quote (JessiWan @ Mar 7 2022 01:10pm)
So a promise is only a promise if it comes from the actual head of a state and only if it's in writing. Otherwise it's just an "assurance". Got it.

And if there was a lot of distrust and tension between the superpowers, wouldn't it be all the more reason to keep one's word?


I see you were incapable of seeing the first thing I wrote: that contexts matters, and then proceeded to generalize a rule to carry on this stupid point of yours.

I'd agree that that would have been the best time to keep one's word, but others would say simultaneously that it would have been the best time to be reserved.
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Mar 7 2022 02:06pm
Quote (Djunior @ 7 Mar 2022 20:50)
Russia is full of normal ordinary down to earth people.

You're mad they don't accept your "progressive" wokeism and indeed they'll never accept it ^_^


competely irrelevant to this conversation. so is iran, so is north korea, so is china.

the russian government, however, is a murderous dictatorship. political opposition is arrested / killed. same for critical journalists. their press is strictly censored, elections are a farce, police and authorities corrupt af. and that's just normal old russia, recently the situation has gotten significantly worse: anti-war protesters are arrested and beaten indiscriminately, including kids. police is stopping civilians to check their mobile phones. the term "war" is not allowed, you're punished for using it. personal and economic freedoms are severely restrictes, and the internet is censored even worse.

people like you only make excuses for such regimes because you consider yourselves loyal brownshirts who'd thrive under such conditions. free and intelligent people don't want that though.
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