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i'd laugh if this wasn't such a serious matter. karma is a virus, apparently...
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Quote (fender @ Mar 9 2020 05:35pm)
i'd laugh if this wasn't such a serious matter. karma is a virus, apparently...


https://twitter.com/maeganvaz/status/1237109606620499969

Matt Gaetz also rode with Trump in the Beast and Air Force One just yesterday.

E - It was today actually.

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https://twitter.com/maeganvaz/status/1237109606620499969

Matt Gaetz also rode with Trump in the Beast and Air Force One just yesterday.

E - It was today actually.


Trump would drop pretty quick, he is an obese geriatric man who probably eats like shit. Pence would probably survive it, he looks tough. He could probably sustain himself off of shoe leather. But if not...President Pelosi!

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Quote (fender @ 9 Mar 2020 19:09)
again, i'm interested how you weigh the loss of human life against economic damage. just to be clear, i'm also concerned with italy's economy, this will most definitely be a massive blow, but like i explained before, they did not just completely switch off the north, they are trying to contain the spread.

that said, it seems like your laissez faire approach isn't exactly working, cases and deaths have spiked significantly since just yesterday: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

but hey, everything to not disturb the precious economy, right? worked like a charm btw, have you looked at the stock market recently?


The markets are looking grim because of all the hysteria the media produces over a virus with a low death rate among the productive population, and most importantly, because of the harsh decisions the governments are implementing or might be considering implementing... the markets don't crash because they fear a virus, but because they fear the economic consequences of a government shutting down the economy, as well as the uncertainty a hysterical society create.

As for how much we value life... well, it does depend on what lives. Lives are very valuable, all of them, but our standard of life is in our national interest, and if lives were always above that then there would never be people being sent off to wars. We allow people to drive despite the roads killing thousands each years, we allow people to drink despite alcohol ruining (or ending) the lives of a small percentage of the population... we can't just give up freedom and the way our society functions over some disease that will kill a tiny fraction of the population that has very limited impact on the national GDP. A nation's leader shouldn't allow fear and romanticism to hold the national economy hostage.
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Trump would drop pretty quick, he is an obese geriatric man who probably eats like shit. Pence would probably survive it, he looks tough. He could probably sustain himself off of shoe leather. But if not...President Pelosi!


It's a real concern for Trump and Bernie/Biden. If they insist on continuing as normal, they're going to come into contact with a ton of people. What would the stock market do if Trump or Biden got the disease? World class healthcare won't necessarily be able to save them.

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Trump would drop pretty quick, he is an obese geriatric man who probably eats like shit. Pence would probably survive it, he looks tough. He could probably sustain himself off of shoe leather. But if not...President Pelosi!


Lol!

But seriously, I dont think that Pelosi would do better than Trump/Biden/Sanders. She's also old as fuck and comes across as more frail than any of the 3 men.


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It's a real concern for Trump and Bernie/Biden. If they insist on continuing as normal, they're going to come into contact with a ton of people. What would the stock market do if Trump or Biden got the disease? World class healthcare won't necessarily be able to save them.


Would play straight into Biden's hands. Trump and Bernie are much better at campaign rallies than him. The coronavirus giving him an excuse to cancel campaign events would be a gift of god for him.

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Thinking about it: imagine Trump, Biden, Sanders and Pelosi all get infected and either die or are unable to run, Bloomberg nopes the fuck out - we might get a presidential race of Buttigieg vs Pence. :lol:
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The markets are looking grim because of all the hysteria the media produces over a virus with a low death rate among the productive population, and most importantly, because of the harsh decisions the governments are implementing or might be considering implementing... the markets don't crash because they fear a virus, but because they fear the economic consequences of a government shutting down the economy, as well as the uncertainty a hysterical society create.

As for how much we value life... well, it does depend on what lives. Lives are very valuable, all of them, but our standard of life is in our national interest, and if lives were always above that then there would never be people being sent off to wars. We allow people to drive despite the roads killing thousands each years, we allow people to drink despite alcohol ruining (or ending) the lives of a small percentage of the population... we can't just give up freedom and the way our society functions over some disease that will kill a tiny fraction of the population that has very limited impact on the national GDP. A nation's leader shouldn't allow fear and romanticism to hold the national economy hostage.


Do you really believe that most normal people think this way? That they can accept some argument weighing economic value over the potential of their old or sick relatives dying?

This is something I'd see in the Late Stage Capitalism subreddit.

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Would play straight into Biden's hands. Trump and Bernie are much better at campaign rallies than him. The coronavirus giving him an excuse to cancel campaign events would be a gift of god for him.


True.
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Quote (IceMage @ 10 Mar 2020 00:29)
Do you really believe that most normal people think this way? That they can accept some argument weighing economic value over the potential of their old or sick relatives dying?

This is something I'd see in the Late Stage Capitalism subreddit.



True.


Well, like I said before in an earlier post, the government should try to protect the sick and elderly by isolating THEM, and provide what ever means are reasonably possible to help them. What they shouldn't do is shut down a significant chunk of the economy, scare the world's markets, and restrict the people's freedom.

Not to mention that some of the measures they are implementing cause the opposite effect of what they aim for. Things like shutting down schools is absurd considering children have very little risk of suffering any potentially threatening consequences, only leads to the grandparents having to baby sit them (since the parents are off working)... which means that if the children are infected (which we can't know since there's a two week latency period) then they are going to spread the disease to their vulnerable grandparents.
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