Quote (fender @ Jan 29 2020 10:09pm)

democrats: those are the facts, this is what he did, this is who corroborated it, this is what the white house did to prevent providing evidence or testimony regarding something they claim was 'perfect'.

republicans: this process is a sham, b-b-but biden and o-o-obama, you can't impeach trump because he thinks that him winning the election is a matter of national interest (yes, that's really dershowitz' latest take on the issue - insert 'we are here.gif') - everything but addressing the substance of the allegations



what a circus, pathetic. i'm looking forward to the ridiculous spins that republican senators, who have to pretend to be at least somewhat critical of trump to win their home states (because literally everyone in the country knows he's guilty), will come up with for inevitably still acquitting him. probably boring old "well, it was just such a flawed process that i could not find him guilty with absolute certainty", or something along those lines...

Quote (GLYC123 @ Jan 30 2020 05:40pm)

That's not an accurate representation at all. Lol.

Republicans and the legal defense team have been consistently addressing and stating the holes in the evidence.

Quote (Skinned @ 30 Jan 2020 17:54)

No they haven't. They've done nothing to exonerate the president. Why won't they is what I'm asking?

And why conceal as much as possible the way they are doing?

It's obvious a crime was committed and some senators are starting to acknowledge it.

Alan Dershowitz is doing a very poor job advocating. Him saying that even though there was a quid pro quo to withhold aid contingent on finding dirt on political rivals it isnt impeachable isnt a very sound argument.

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Chief Justice John Roberts on Thursday publicly refused to read a question from Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky during the Senate impeachment trial that named the alleged Ukraine whistleblower.

"The presiding officer declines to read the question as submitted," Roberts said after receiving the question card.
Paul had expressed frustration with Republican leadership during the trial Wednesday night after it was made clear Roberts would not read his question that named the alleged Ukraine whistleblower, sources with knowledge of the situation said.

Quote (excellence @ Jan 30 2020 06:19pm)

gargle gargle gargle

Quote (Thor123422 @ 30 Jan 2020 08:38)

Theres no reason to bring Biden in. Trump was acting on a conspiracy theory and the information on Bidens actions is already available since he did it above board. The only reason to want Biden is political.

Its not political to keep extraneous witnesses out of the pricess, especially when they arent witnesses. Youre basically asking a victim of abuse to testify that they didnt deserve it.

Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Jan 2020 09:38)

so it boils down to "we aren't going to remove, and even if we hear new information from someone Trump directly told to do something we havent yet heard, we still wont remove".

and they say the leftists are scared of facts.



frankly im getting a bit tired of people saying this over and over and over while they're corrected many times.

The house is the grand jury, which doesn't decide guilt or innocence, just with a VERY loose burden of proof decides if a case is merited.

1. in grand juries they're not always presented with all of the evidence
2. even in a grand jury where they get 100% of the evidence they aren't presented with arguments from the lawyers to decide the context and veracity of the evidence

essentially they're shown evidence, and then just asked if they think the evidence merits a trial. not even whether they think the person might be guilty.

the only reasonable argument ive heard from the right is that:

A. this is not worthy of removal (i agree there)
B. This is political (i agree there)
C. let the democrats try really hard then still fail, then deal with the consequences electorally in the next election

and if Bolton truly does have a silver bullet that wont cause removal but will kill trump at the polls then the american people deserve to hear it, i didnt vote for the 30-40 shill fuckers in red ties who decide what i can and cant hear. fuck them.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 30 2020 10:30am)

Your agreement isnt needed, because I'm right. Biden's actual actions are irrelevant because Trump didn't have a basis and didnt act until Biden was a political threat.

Quote (ThatAlex @ Jan 30 2020 03:49pm)

Bring Biden's losing ass in to testify and tank his 2020 campaign for Bolton. That's a win-win for Dems.

Shouldn't have to come to that, as Americans deserve to hear Bolton testify regardless, and the majority of Republican voters want witnesses, anyway. But I'm also cool with simultaneously doing political damage to Biden.