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Jun 26 2018 07:32pm
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Trump wrote an anti-immigration EO for those trying to immigrate from the middle east, right after he took office.
Half the circuit court judges in the US sued him for various reasons concerning that law. Most of which were a loss of cheap labor, even though he was accused of just being racist.

He has appealed to the Supreme Court 3 times, and was forced to "rephrase" his EO three times. This is the end of the third appeal. He won, as he should have in the first place.

He didn't ban muslim immigration because they were muslim, he banned it because they were blowing things up. <--- tl;dr version


This answer doesn't address the timeline. Trump called for 90 days. It's now been 522.
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Trump wrote an anti-immigration EO for those trying to immigrate from the middle east, right after he took office.
Half the circuit court judges in the US sued him for various reasons concerning that law. Most of which were a loss of cheap labor, even though he was accused of just being racist.

He has appealed to the Supreme Court 3 times, and was forced to "rephrase" his EO three times. This is the end of the third appeal. He won, as he should have in the first place.

He didn't ban muslim immigration because they were muslim, he banned it because they were blowing things up. <--- tl;dr version


he also picked the wrong countries for his cover up of a racist pleasing thinly veiled muslim ban

I wonder why that was
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Jun 26 2018 07:34pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 26 2018 09:33pm)
he also picked the wrong countries for his cover up of a racist pleasing thinly veiled muslim ban

I wonder why that was


Because this way was quicker. Obama had already written up the plan, Trump just enacted it
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Jun 26 2018 07:44pm
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This answer doesn't address the timeline. Trump called for 90 days. It's now been 522.




The timeline was one of Trump's compromises, to keep the ban active. I don't know where you're getting the 522 number, but it looks like someone counted from the original EO, not this third one.

Like I said, Trump has written 3 EOs about this ban of immigrants from 5 muslim countries. Three times, lower courts upheld the suit, not the EO. Three time the Supreme Court threw out the lower courts's rulings, this being the third of those rulings.

The 90 days came from the last suit and Trump's compromise with those who brought the suit.
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Jun 26 2018 08:25pm
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The timeline was one of Trump's compromises, to keep the ban active. I don't know where you're getting the 522 number, but it looks like someone counted from the original EO, not this third one.

Like I said, Trump has written 3 EOs about this ban of immigrants from 5 muslim countries. Three times, lower courts upheld the suit, not the EO. Three time the Supreme Court threw out the lower courts's rulings, this being the third of those rulings.

The 90 days came from the last suit and Trump's compromise with those who brought the suit.


Again, I'm not discussing the soundness or the merits of the ban. I'm talking about the timeline.

Trump said our country needed some time to figure out what's going on. Here's the direct quote from his website: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Executive Order 13769 called for 90 days. Executive Order 13780 did the same. Presidential Proclamation 9645 also expired after 90 days.

It's been 522 days since Trump took office, 515 days since the first EO, 477 days since the second EO, and 275 since Presidential Proclamation 9645.

All greater than 90 days to figure out what's going on.
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Again, I'm not discussing the soundness or the merits of the ban. I'm talking about the timeline.

Trump said our country needed some time to figure out what's going on. Here's the direct quote from his website: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Executive Order 13769 called for 90 days. Executive Order 13780 did the same. Presidential Proclamation 9645 also expired after 90 days.

It's been 522 days since Trump took office, 515 days since the first EO, 477 days since the second EO, and 275 since Presidential Proclamation 9645.

All greater than 90 days to figure out what's going on.




All the deets on all three have been posted in PaRD. The last one in here, the other two, probably in the... Trump 2016 topic.
I didn't keep all the facts near to hand, but I'm giving you an accurate representation. there were extensions and things like that.
There were timeouts in Congress and the Supreme Courts too.

This was always a very sore topic with me. I knew the Supreme Court would eventually stand behind Trump, and I was truly amazed that the anti-Trumpers took this issue so far.

The main reason for the ban was that it's almost impossible to accurately vet those coming from the middle east. Either no records or questionable records. I couldn't imagine the Supreme Court not backing these orders.
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Jun 27 2018 08:17am
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Pence warns Central Americans to immigrate legally or not at all

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-pence-centam/pence-warns-central-americans-to-immigrate-legally-or-not-at-all-idUSKBN1JM2NK




All hail Pence, all hail Pence.


Stay in a place where you get raped so you don't get raped and we will deny your rapes and call you scammers while still acknowledging the rapes while also pretending to care about your and your children's safety because us separating desperate women and children looks bad on the news

all hail

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the overwhelming majority of americans dont speak german, and even of those who do, many wouldnt use german text in their profile.

I was simply making an educated guess. Which was wrong, I'm sorry.



not true. alabama, utah, wyoming et al. are even more conservative than texas.




how exactly?

I understand that its bad for you and your wife that the paperwork takes so damn long, but that's not discrimination. public administration taking way too long to get anything done is an experience that locals as well as immigrants are making everywhere around the world.



because laws.



I seriously doubt that you wouldnt have needed the attorney without the anti-immigrant rhetoric.



so... immigrants come into the united states, dont like its laws and they way its public administration works, so the first thing they do after arriving is saying "screw it, I'll be breaking the laws of my host country"... is this what you're saying?


Unlike a lot of the people on here, I’ve actually gone abroad and worked shitty jobs and great jobs, feeling the world and deciding on politics for myself. German example, I worked as a gardener in Ennigerloh and then a marketing representative in Münster.


My wife has a very good degree and has very good work experience with companies like Audi. But because she is not being sponsored by a company (which, first off, a company wouldn’t want to a hire a woman who hasn’t had a baby yet in her late 20’s, that’s besides the point), I’ve come across a lot of contacts to get her a job and each one of them has been the same, referencing her being an immigrant, being that they would ask me if she’s American and then immediately say no thank you after hearing she’s not. One of them straight up told me that because she isn’t a citizen, even if she has the proper papers, they don’t want that kind of political backlash on their team and the people below her would resent her. She would be a higher up.

Yeah, because laws, but after going through the process, I’m saying I understand why so many people skip out on it. The time it takes, the confusing forms, the expense... Obviously I support doing it legally LOL - we paid for it and did it.
As for the lawyer thing - yes we did need one. Not only to interpret all of the papers and represent us in court if needed, but because of the underfunded immigration departments and the sentiment towards immigrants is bringing about a much longer processing time and a higher denial rate. Mind you, she’s not allowed to legally work until we get the papers back. This could be up to 10 months.
Having legal representation means that we will be able to go to court if they deny her papers without legitimate reason, which is possible, with all of this anti-immigration rhetoric.

Yes. Most of them say “screw it” because our process is broken and does not offer guidance in doing so. I personally don’t think that we should hold their hand all the way through the process, but because it’s pretty broken, this is an effect.
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Unlike a lot of the people on here, I’ve actually gone abroad and worked shitty jobs and great jobs, feeling the world and deciding on politics for myself. German example, I worked as a gardener in Ennigerloh and then a marketing representative in Münster.


My wife has a very good degree and has very good work experience with companies like Audi. But because she is not being sponsored by a company (which, first off, a company wouldn’t want to a hire a woman who hasn’t had a baby yet in her late 20’s, that’s besides the point), I’ve come across a lot of contacts to get her a job and each one of them has been the same, referencing her being an immigrant, being that they would ask me if she’s American and then immediately say no thank you after hearing she’s not. One of them straight up told me that because she isn’t a citizen, even if she has the proper papers, they don’t want that kind of political backlash on their team and the people below her would resent her. She would be a higher up.

Yeah, because laws, but after going through the process, I’m saying I understand why so many people skip out on it. The time it takes, the confusing forms, the expense... Obviously I support doing it legally LOL - we paid for it and did it.
As for the lawyer thing - yes we did need one. Not only to interpret all of the papers and represent us in court if needed, but because of the underfunded immigration departments and the sentiment towards immigrants is bringing about a much longer processing time and a higher denial rate. Mind you, she’s not allowed to legally work until we get the papers back. This could be up to 10 months.
Having legal representation means that we will be able to go to court if they deny her papers without legitimate reason, which is possible, with all of this anti-immigration rhetoric.

Yes. Most of them say “screw it” because our process is broken and does not offer guidance in doing so. I personally don’t think that we should hold their hand all the way through the process, but because it’s pretty broken, this is an effect.


well, companies not wanting to hire a woman in her late 20s without kids is... a discrimination of woman and economically totally sensible and understandable at the same. a shitty situation, but so far, I havent heard of a good solution for this issue - well, outside of high tax large welfare state countries like france or sweden...

anyways, this issue has nothing to do with your wife being an immigrant. an US-born woman in the same age would face the same problem.

that the companies dont want to hire a person whose immigration and work permit status is still up in the air is also understandable, dont you think? I know that this situation sucks for her/you, but why would american firms take on this trouble if they can find a similarly qualified american candidate for the job?
in the end, everything would be much easier and smoother if your wife found a company that sponsored her.

the things you say about the broken process in the immigration offices also suck, but I seriously dont think that those processes would be significantly less chaotic/time-consuming/broken without anti-immigrant sentiments.


all in all, you and your wife are in kind of a shitty situation, and I feel your frustration. but this doesnt automatically imply that your wife is being discriminated against.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 27 2018 03:30pm
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