I really wonder if Hamas was motivated by the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange here, did they think since they got ridiculous value out of that exchange that the same would work here?

Doubtful

This is Iran upset with Saudi and Hamas losing leverage over Palestine

yeah Iran definitely supports Hamas, no doubting that. Israel released the current leader of Hamas Yahya Sinwar they had in prison and gave away +1000 prisoners for 1 israeli soldier, this absolutely does motivate the use of hostages for Hamas in the future.

My interpretation of the history, is that there definitely is a geographical area referred to as Palestine to include people of a shared cultural and ethnic identity--with history, war, and Israel's expansion beyond The Green Line resulting in the Palestinian-inhabited Gaza Strip and The West Bank. Many, but not all, countries also recognize Palestine's existence. To suggest that "There has never been a Palestine" is a confusing argument to me. If people instead offered that the way in which Palestine came into existence is illegitimate, then I could at least understand that argument, as that doesn't detract from the reality that there is a Palestinian region.

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i would agree with this, as i said you can spin that wheel for eternity until the city of rome wants spain back

same with the location, but clearly the jews wanted to go there and not some dirt in africa

even when a place could have been better in many aspects

i mean after these people suffered the worst genocide in history nobody was saying no to them

The hostages are or will be dead I don’t think hostage taking was the primary motivation

They knew an attack with Netanyahu at helm and war hawk on national security counsel would result in chaos ruining the peace treaty , the treaty which would severely undermine Hamas and Iran in Palestine. I think it’s as simple as this

In case it hasn't already been covered over the last 24 pages, there's intel that Egypt tried to warn Israel 10 days prior.

So.....Israel deliberately allowed this attack so that they could have a pretext to genocide the Palestinians?

Very conspiracy-theorist like but definitely possible.

yet here you are defending a regime that is treating its neighbors just like the Nazis treated the Jews, only this time its the Jews committing atrocities. you have no shame

Damn this really is their 9/11