I've built and remodeled multiple houses. Also lived in multiple houses and apartments. I only recall the square footage of one of them and only that because it was a nice even number. I, like Trump, have people who know these things. Difference is, mine's my wife. And I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Melania didn't know the square footage of the Trump Tower Penthouse either. Given she'd been asked by the press years ago, and said she didn't know.

The problem with your entire theory is that on the one hand, you talk constantly about what a fucking retard Trump is and how he's too stupid to see what's directly in front of his face, and 5 seconds later you're making him out as some mastermind with a perfect memory for insignificant details from decades prior.

Your desperation is indeed palpable.

As head of the company "I didn't look it up" isn't an excuse. If you represent your apartment is 3x the size and you have all the documents available to you that show it isn't, that's knowing. It doesn't matter what your personal memory is in that moment. You are representing everything is true and that you've done your dilligence in what is represented.

And if it wasn't intentional, then somehow he made dozens of mistakes that all just happened to increase the value and never decrease it. Makes it obvious it was intentional.

Why would he need an "excuse"? You're reaching so hard right now. I just told you, I worked for a bank. We did NOT expect accurate answers on loan applications. In fact, we DID expect the majority of clients to LIE. That is SPECIFICALLY why we had a bunch of assessors. That's specifically WHY we valuated everything in-house. I already told you, you are NOT going to defraud a bank when requesting a loan, because EVERY bank (except a bank or two in silicon valley, apparently) valuates the assets of everyone they provide a sizable loan to. And Trump was ALREADY a billionaire, he was ALREADY one of, if not the, most famous men on the planet. "We lend to Trump" is a bragging point for a bank. There is no realistic measure where fraud is possible. And the funny thing? Trump got another loan earlier on, also from Deutsche Bank. Prior to the housing crash. At that time, Trump was claiming to be worth over a billion, the bank valuated him at like $600 Million or something. He legitimately argued with them over it. And you know the interest rate they offered him then? The same low rate. He argued for his PRIDE, not to defraud anyone.

No, I don't expect a guy who owns and runs a business empire, dozens of properties worldwide, and has a hit TV show to know the square footage of his 3 store penthouse apartment. I really don't. That you do is a "you" problem. Once again, 11K or 30K only would have made ~10m difference in total valuation, which would have had zero difference to the interest rate.

Anyhow, keep going. Entertain me.

Whether you expect them or not is irrelevant. If you rely on them in any fashion at all it's fraud.

I'm not surprised you don't work at a bank anymore with how little you know about a subject as basic as financial fraud.

No, because the banking policy is for the bank to valuate every client means that whatever is put onto the form is irrelevant. They can't, intentionally or unintentionally, defraud the bank.

And I don't work at a bank anymore because I got tired of giving out loans to people who could never possibly repay them, while rejecting people who COULD repay them, but happened to be too white to qualify at their credit ratings.

WOW!!!!!

You made fun of someone because he was an alcoholic(low as fuck borderline pathetic).

You tell this guy because he quit his job at a bank that he doesn't know about "basic financial fraud" but he actually worked in the field and gave you 80x real world examples.

You have ZERO moral fiber bud and your PhD is in Psychology with a concentration in Pseudo Intellectual Freudian Fraud

That wasn't a Freudian slip so be sure to check your DSM manual for more information about this disorder

Imagine being in debt like you are and talking about an accomplished persons "finances" as if you'll EVER be sued for anything EVER let alone sued for the silly things Trump has been sued for.

Nothing says I have a worthless degree like a Trump hater

I know you won't respond to me but saying "Your an alcoholic your opinion is invalid" is WRONG and saying, "You don't work at a bank anymore you don't know something as basic as financial fraud" isn't an ARGUMENT

Keep reaching strawman....

its not a victimless crime. banks dont have unlimited pools of money of which to give out loans

the fact that orange blob took the loans fraudulently means that other businesses were denied those loans. We live in a free market economy, and there are laws in place to ensure the market is not unfairly advantaged to one party through fraudulent means. Not only that but the org lied to the government and as such opted to try to pay less taxes on the properties, which is clearly against the law.

you can try to be ignorant and months late to the party and think that your claims of working at a bank have anything to do with the matter but reality is reality so you should start trying to live in it

This isnt even bringing up the fact that the judiciary branch is a complete separate branch of government from the executive branch. If you understood that you wouldnt be so brainwashed into thinking that the judiciary branch is under control of the current administration

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 4 2024 12:53pm

It's not a crime at all. Trump provided whatever information he wanted. The banks performed their own valuations. The banks made their offers. Trump accepted their offers. Trump repaid in good faith.

The bank got what they wanted, Trump got what he wanted. Nobody complained, the government was never involved. People put inaccurate information on loan request forms to banks every day. Literally. It's why the banks ALWAYS valuate the client prior to extending an offer.

No loans were taken fraudulently. There was no victim, and there was no crime. Nobody is "late to the party". You're a fool.

I didn't make fun of Bob at all. I genuinely hope he's doing better with his alcoholism (he admitted to drinking a liter of vodka a day, which is incredibly dangerous), and I hope he's nicer to his wife. He's told me before about how he "keeps her in line" (his words) so I genuinely hope that situation is better. He has told multiple users here that he would "hunt them down and shoot them like dogs", which is not something people in a good situation do, so I genuinely hope he's doing better now.

Also my degree is in biochemistry and I've worked using my degree the entire time I've been out of school. Been harder recently though with Pfizer flooding the market with layoffs, but you'll never go hungry with a biochemistry degree since hospitals are always hiring lab workers.

TBH this case is just open and shut. He made material misrepresentations to get a better deal that the bank relied on to make their loans. The misrepresentations weren't small mistakes, they were intentional misrepresentations. A real estate mogul signing off on a square footage 300% the actual value when he built and lived in the space is not something you get to hand waive away. Making an appraisal based on breaking up a lot that can't be broken up when you personally signed the agreement saying you can't is also not something you can say "I forgot" on. This fraud is so over the top it isn't even a good teaching tool because it's so obvious it doesn't encourage critical thought.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 4 2024 01:28pm

Nobody said anything about keeping anyone in line. You've made the accusation. And that's really fun. If you're accusing me of a crime, spit it out. Otherwise, try working out you fat fuck. You'll die before you hit 50 from heart failure.

Don't seek to judge anyone. You're garbage.