Regardless if laws were a reaction to something or not, that does not mean that a progressive change, as in females have an easier ability to separate out of relationships they don't want because men can't be the ultimate ruler of females which I think the vast majority of people can agree is a progressive change for the better did not result in an increase in divorce because there's easier access to it now which is my point.

You can sit all day in the camp of females having rights is a bad thing and government should have control and offer different rights based on each sex. Go for it. "Because the betterment of society". That is your stance. Unless I'm missing something that's exactly how it reads. And ofcourse your stance on welfare which if you can't see how there's a massvie shift from the 1950s manufacturing to modern day and how there's clearly a disproportionate impact on low skilled poor people I don't know what to tell you. There's lots of counter evidence out there that those growing up in a more financially secured environment which includes welfare results in statistically higher rates of success in future generations.

Sorry machines got your job and the cost of living has skyrocketed while there's no alternative for lower skilled labour. Learn to code retard! But those 1950s though! When we could work assembling a vehicle get a pension and a house for lifting a piece of metal all day. I know we have no decent jobs for you but don't you dare go committing crime now blacky!

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 5 2023 09:53am

I keep repeatedly saying I don't want to have that argument for a reason. There's a difference between pointing to why things are the way they are and saying whether that's good or bad or me saying whether I agree with it. I never said females having rights is bad, never said they shouldn't work or go to college, you just keep trying to push the argument into good vs bad.

Then perhaps comparing to the 1950s is retarded.

I can live at leaving it at that.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 5 2023 09:56am

Whole point of the comparison is to isolate the catalyst of why single parenthood exploded higher, personally I don't think it's because of poverty but the above mentioned catalysts.

Again, though, you're happy to just ignore every other thing since and boil it to women got rights and we gave poor people money. So perhaps comparing to 1950s if you're going to ignore the massive change that happened to this country since and ignore every other factor while deeming your personal catalyst as number 1 while disregarding everything surrounding it makes it retarded to compare to the 1950s.

It makes it exceptionally easy to make any point by taking any point in time, pointing to something different after it and solely saying this is what caused this if you then close your eyes and cover your ears. Anyone can do it with any single point. I could take any point in time and do that with something. Its the equivalent to someone covering their ears and saying "LALALALALALAL"

Not only that, people who like to compare to the "good old days" will say shit like feminism lead to the family decline but then when you say oh you dont like females having equivalent rights they say oh, no no, not like that but the 1950s they were better though for everyone! Own your stance.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 5 2023 10:23am

the true barrier to traditional families with a father making the money while the mother takes care of the home and the children is the state printing money making it impossible for one-earner houses to be the norm.

the state is constantly stealing your wealth through rapid inflation making the idealized 1950s family life a dream that is not possible for the average person whether or not they prefer it.

I think most average people you talk to prefer the gendered family roles, women generally idealize being a wife with kids and a home and men generally idealize the idea of having the responsibility of being the earner for his family and a thus a community and the purpose it brings to a man. Men tremendously desire purpose, and the inability to provide for his family robs them of the most essential human purpose there is.

This post was edited by majorblood on Oct 5 2023 10:33am

To see if you're willing to engage or still just interested in thinly veiled race baiting.

Seems still the latter

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 5 2023 10:49am

Mate I'm pointing to a basket of things, never framing it as inherently bad. Top 3 most important people in my life are all women, including my daughter that obviously I want to get an education and pursue a career if she wishes. You keep defaulting to trying to frame it as me reminiscing of the good old days when literally every post I'm explicitly saying I'm not framing it as good or bad. Why is it you're struggling to have a civil discussion without every post trying to put words in my mouth and make me out to be a woman hater?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 5 2023 10:50am

Accurate and honest.