Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 3 2020 01:05pm)

that depends if the "MLK was wrong, nonviolence doesnt get anything done" narrative takes root, imo. 20 years from now we'll see James Baldwin streets in the ghetto replacing MLK blvd.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 3 2020 01:19pm)

I mean, it's a fact. MLK advocated for non-violence, but nothing got done until there was a backdrop of riots. MLK has been so whitewashed.



Honestly, I think violence stats are largely garbage anyway. There isn't consistency in reporting across districts so it's hard to draw real conclusions unless the conclusions are just super black and white.

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In the spring of 1963, activists in Birmingham, Alabama launched one of the most influential campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement: Project C, better known as The Birmingham Campaign. It would be the beginning of a series of lunch counter sit-ins, marches on City Hall and boycotts on downtown merchants to protest segregation laws in the city.

Over the next couple months, the peaceful demonstrations would be met with violent attacks using high-pressure fire hoses and police dogs on men, women and children alike -- producing some of the most iconic and troubling images of the Civil Rights Movement. President John F. Kennedy would later say, "The events in Birmingham... have so increased the cries for equality that no city or state or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them." It is considered one of the major turning points in the Civil Rights Movement and the "beginning of the end" of a centuries-long struggle for freedom.

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The Birmingham Campaign ended with a victory in May of 1963 when local officials agreed to remove "White Only" and "Black Only" signs from restrooms and drinking fountains in downtown Birmingham; desegregate lunch counters; deploy a "Negro job improvement plan"; release jailed demonstrators; and create a biracial committee to monitor the agreement. Desegregation would take place slowly over the next few months coupled with violent attacks from angry segregationists, including the bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church that killed four young girls. Learn more about some of the events that followed the campaign and the city's continued push for integration.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 3 2020 11:31am)

yeah..... nonviolent blacks getting beaten by cops, dogs sicked on them, and firehoses turned on them did nothing. it was only the riots.....



but yes, violence did catch a lot of notice too:



this "only violence will change anything" attitude is just cringey neckbeard wannabe anarchists advocating others get hurt and/or arrested while they sit on their asses. violence can work, but to suggest its the only way to move the wheels of time is short sighted and irresponsible. historical revision of the civil rights movement is disgusting as well. people need to read a damn book or two.

Quote (HomeRun916 @ Aug 3 2020 01:34pm)

Violence is what started this whole “movement”, what kind of idiot is advocating for more violence?

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 3 2020 01:31pm)

yeah..... nonviolent blacks getting beaten by cops, dogs sicked on them, and firehoses turned on them did nothing. it was only the riots.....

but yes, violence did catch a lot of notice too:

this "only violence will change anything" attitude is just cringey neckbeard wannabe anarchists advocating others get hurt and/or arrested while they sit on their asses. violence can work, but to suggest its the only way to move the wheels of time is short sighted and irresponsible. historical revision of the civil rights movement is disgusting as well. people need to read a damn book or two.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 3 2020 01:41pm)

Violence is a necessary part of most civil rights movements.

It can't be the only part, like nothing will get done if they just take to the streets and burn things, but it is necessary. Non-violence just doesn't work on its own because then the people in control can sit back and say "Oh, so if we do nothing.... nothing will happen except some signs? Okay, cool!". There has to be consequences for ignoring the non-violent part.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 3 2020 11:47am)

so kneeling in the NFL didn't cause the league to make huge contributions to BLM, cut PSA's for racial equality, etc?

i must have missed the part where NFL players got violent and ripped stadiums apart.

boy you liberals like to lean on Kaep as an example of nonviolent protest one day and forget him the next.

that took me all of 4 seconds to come up with a glaring example of how "nonviolence alone does nothing".

violence as a requirement is just immaturity, and generally from people too cowardly to act violence like they prescribe as necessary. violence is a side effect of decades long pent up aggression, i understand it, i get it, i dont endorse it. endorsing violence and the historical revision that comes with it is political polarization at it's worst. sit-ins are forgotten just so idiots can justify burning court houses in 2020. sad people forgot history tbh.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 3 2020 01:47pm)

so kneeling in the NFL didn't cause the league to make huge contributions to BLM, cut PSA's for racial equality, etc?

i must have missed the part where NFL players got violent and ripped stadiums apart.

boy you liberals like to lean on Kaep as an example of nonviolent protest one day and forget him the next.

that took me all of 4 seconds to come up with a glaring example of how "nonviolence alone does nothing".

violence as a requirement is just immaturity, and generally from people too cowardly to act violence like they prescribe as necessary. violence is a side effect of decades long pent up aggression, i understand it, i get it, i dont endorse it. endorsing violence and the historical revision that comes with it is political polarization at it's worst. sit-ins are forgotten just so idiots can justify burning court houses in 2020. sad people forgot history tbh.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 3 2020 03:11pm)

Hmmmm

I would say 80% of the NFL is black.. I don't think they really had a choice but to contribute.
Kaep.. LOL he is one of the most hated black man in America.. That worked out well for him.
Every "ghot" in the country is crying about sports right now boycotting etc. its the riots that have gotten that message pushed.. I don't like it but its true.. Nothing but STFU was happening prior.

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Kaep made out like a bandit in all of this. His name is cemented in history and he’ll make tens of millions with various entities tripping over themselves to get him as their poster child in feigning care for black causes.

Not sure how the chips could of fell any better for kaep