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What importance do the ratio have?

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 16 2023 10:44am

There is no evidence to support that the international community values Israeli lives less then Palestinian/other lives. On the contrary, there is evidence to support that the international community values Israeli lives more then Palestinian lives. There is also evidence, historic and current, that Israel (government) does not hold much value in Palestinian lives. i.e. before you start giving out to the international community about the value of life, perhaps you should look at what the Israeli army is doing, by following the orders of the Israeli Government.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 16 2023 10:54am

The ratio doesnt indicate anything thats my point.

The indication that jew lives worth less is the fact that even now people call for cease fire even tho there are babies as hostages kids as young as 1 day old.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 16 2023 10:56am

ofc it does, it indicates that Israel is doing a disproportionate response. same as 9/11 in the US, the response is killing far people by orders of magnitude then the original crime, ergo, Palestinians lives are clearly worth less according to Israels government, same as the million dead in Iraq. Why do you think the international community is giving out? because they love Palestinians ? no, because the response is disproportionate. Your saying the ratio doesnt indicate anything when this point is the foundation of the condemnation against Israel.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 16 2023 11:13am

No, what it means is that Israelis care for their own and the build shelters, Iron dome, kela david, arrow 1,2 and 3.
And hamas uses his own as human shield.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 16 2023 11:11am

this narrative is so flawed. its apples and oranges.

Hamas, on october 7th, had 1 objective, enter the country and kill as many people as they could.

Israel, post october 7th, has an entirely different objective, destroy Hamas' capabilities to repeat the attack.

one has a goal of deaths, one has deaths as a consequence of an entirely different goal. and israel told people "leave this very specific area of gaza city, that's where we are going to bomb".

when the US came to Iraq we came to kill. we bombed indiscriminately with zero warning. and we didnt go out of our way to avoid hospitals, schools, or anything. if it moved it was dust.

if israel could have cleared out gaza city of tunnels with zero civilian deaths they'd be elated. if hamas got zero civilian deaths they'd be horrified.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 16 2023 11:18am

The point here is that the retribution/revenge/vengeance or whatever you want to call it, is an order of magnitude (in deaths) worse then the crime. if 1 of ours is killed lets kill 10 of theirs, or 100 or 1000, its an order of magnitude.

Disproportional in this is only viewed through the lens of raw numbers of dead/injured etc. I don't think it's a fair assessment simply because historically Muslims had always had much higher casualties in their wars against Israel and it never stopped them in subsequent attempts.

If this is what's 'fair' or 'proportional' the aggressive Muslim countries which numbers into the hundreds of millions surrounding Israel would gladly trade 10 million Muslims for 10 million Jew lives. Jews can't afford to trade based on these type of "proportional' engagements. The only way to discourage future attacks is precisely to be disproportional in the response most likely.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 16 2023 11:27am