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Oct 4 2023 04:23pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 4 2023 03:18pm)
It works pretty well. If you look at the murder and drug statistics in Singapore.
It is pretty darn low.

But then again it is a small city state which is easier to control.


Indeed, it is extremely effective.

Singapore benefits from being a city state which is free from the oppressive control of outside forces i.e. state and federal governments, but still a very large city nonetheless. It's very clear that being heavy handed works well. Broken windows theory etc.
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Oct 4 2023 04:36pm
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Indeed, it is extremely effective.

Singapore benefits from being a city state which is free from the oppressive control of outside forces i.e. state and federal governments, but still a very large city nonetheless. It's very clear that being heavy handed works well. Broken windows theory etc.


Probably helps being the third largest port in the world, a world that's seen a massive increase in global shipping and reliance on overseas products.

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Probably helps being the third largest port in the world, a world that's seen a massive increase in global shipping and reliance on overseas products.


Certainly helps alot for keeping them wealthy, but that has zero correlation with crime & degeneracy. See any number of extremely wealthy American cities for reference
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Oct 4 2023 04:48pm
Quote (El1te @ Oct 4 2023 04:45pm)
Certainly helps alot for keeping them wealthy, but that has zero correlation with crime & degeneracy. See any number of extremely wealthy American cities for reference


Their wealth is better spread. Well when you consider average living costs to average wages. It's no wonder crime exists in places like new York when a 1 bedroom is on average over 4k or some absurde amount now while in Singapore it's like 1400 USD equivalent and the average salary is just north of 60k.

Poverty will always result in crime and the cost of living is well out of hand in major wealthy cities in the USA and Canada. Of course crime is also going up. No surprise there.

Not to mention their population is minimal in a country with that much economic activity all in a tiny radius making infrastructure easy. I don't think we can even remotely compare them to the USA.

Take some place like Canada, miniscule population spread over one of the largest countries in the world. Infrastructure has go stretch over a massive land mass as does its upkeep and every logistical challenge that comes with it. If we were solely concentrated on Toronto or another port city and every tax dollar just went their I think our quality of living would sky rocket.

People always want to compare these massive countries to places like Luxembourg or Singapore where you can hit a golf ball across.

Take large countries and compare, we'll you can see that to have low crime and degenerate behaviour as you put it you have what we would call here human right abuses, highly oppressive governments with people trying to leave or would most certainly leave given the option.

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Their wealth is better spread. Well when you consider average living costs to average wages. It's no wonder crime exists in places like new York when a 1 bedroom is on average over 4k or some absurde amount now while in Singapore it's like 1400 USD equivalent and the average salary is just north of 60k.

Poverty will always result in crime and the cost of living is well out of hand in major wealthy cities in the USA and Canada. Of course crime is also going up. No surprise there.

Not to mention their population is minimal in a country with that much economic activity all in a tiny radius making infrastructure easy. I don't think we can even remotely compare them to the USA.

Take some place like Canada, miniscule population spread over one of the largest countries in the world. Infrastructure has go stretch over a massive land mass as does its upkeep and every logistical challenge that comes with it. If we were solely concentrated on Toronto or another port city and every tax dollar just went their I think our quality of living would sky rocket.

People always want to compare these massive countries to places like Luxembourg or Singapore where you can hit a golf ball across.

Take large countries and compare, we'll you can see that to have low crime and degenerate behaviour as you put it you have what we would call here human right abuses, highly oppressive governments with people trying to leave or would most certainly leave given the option.


The fact that the vast majority of crime in places like NYC is committed by repeat offenders makes the notion of poverty = crime (incorrect Marxist dogma) completely & entirely irrelevant.

The problem is lack of enforcement, full stop.
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Oct 4 2023 05:28pm
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The fact that the vast majority of crime in places like NYC is committed by repeat offenders makes the notion of poverty = crime (incorrect Marxist dogma) completely & entirely irrelevant.

The problem is lack of enforcement, full stop.


Yeah those criminals never came to be because of poverty.
They were brought up on a dog shit slum with no real future prospects and said mommy I wanna be a criminal.

If you think you can remotely compare the USA to the smallest most densely packed country in the world with one of the top most economically favorable ports you go for it. No one's taking you seriously though.

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Oct 4 2023 05:55pm
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The fact that the vast majority of crime in places like NYC is committed by repeat offenders makes the notion of poverty = crime (incorrect Marxist dogma) completely & entirely irrelevant.

The problem is lack of enforcement, full stop.


If only there was a common demographic to point to. :rolleyes:
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Yeah those criminals never came to be because of poverty.
They were brought up on a dog shit slum with no real future prospects and said mommy I wanna be a criminal.

If you think you can remotely compare the USA to the smallest most densely packed country in the world with one of the top most economically favorable ports you go for it. No one's taking you seriously though.


You conveniently ignore the facts that:

NYC is more populous & more densely populated than the city-state of Singapore

NYC is a more favourable economic port than Singapore

As well as ignoring my point about repeat offenders. Please enlighten me how someone committing a violent crime for the 10th time is not a problem of lack of enforcement.

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If only there was a common demographic to point to. :rolleyes:


Negros

The elephant in the room that everyone is afraid to speak

Drop a few of em' into Singapore, refuse to prosecute them, and see what happens
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Oct 4 2023 07:36pm
Quote (El1te @ Oct 4 2023 06:38pm)
You conveniently ignore the facts that:

NYC is more populous & more densely populated than the city-state of Singapore

NYC is a more favourable economic port than Singapore

As well as ignoring my point about repeat offenders. Please enlighten me how someone committing a violent crime for the 10th time is not a problem of lack of enforcement.



Negros

The elephant in the room that everyone is afraid to speak

Drop a few of em' into Singapore, refuse to prosecute them, and see what happens


More populated isn't better. Singapore does vastly more volume than NYC it's not even close so no idea where you're getting that from. Also NY is vastly bigger than Singapore.

What are you going on about. I'm not arguing that repeated offences is not a lack of enforcement, you're just too blind and want to say negro bad so badly that you can't actually look at roots of problems and how you can't go and compare absurdly different countries.

You seriously don't think crime would plummet in NYC if the govnement made living affordable and scale with housing, give everyone a decent paying job and further subsidize home purchases like Singapore? Obviously it would. You're solving the root problem.

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Oct 4 2023 07:42pm
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More populated isn't better. Singapore does vastly more volume than NYC it's not even close so no idea where you're getting that from. Also NY is vastly bigger than Singapore.

What are you going on about. I'm not arguing that repeated offences is not a lack of enforcement, you're just too blind and want to say negro bad so badly that you can't actually look at roots of problems and how you can't go and compare absurdly different countries.


The root IS the demographic.
Hope this helps.
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