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Apr 4 2022 05:24pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 4 Apr 2022 23:13)
for a frenchie, who waves the white flag when shit hits the fan, you sure have a big mouth

thankfully the world does not work like your couch warrior logic

places like france or germany have no fucking business whatsoever lecturing others


This is how people like putin or others maintained their power: controlling medias, propaganda, etc... Something you seems to approve, your values are disgusting.
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Apr 4 2022 05:28pm
Quote (fender @ 5 Apr 2022 00:19)
oh it sure is "free and safe" if you're a white, straight, christian-conservative male. for the rest, not so much though.


I'm pretty sure that the average women can more safely be out and about alone at night in Budapest than in Frankfurt or Paris. How many beheadings were there in Hungary in recent years, how many young women in Hungary were massacred by their own father or brothers for living a Western lifestyle, how many "incidents" with machetes were there in Hungarian trains or city centers?

I won't deny that life is probably better in Berlin than Budapest if you're gay or trans, but the range of persons for whom the Hungarian model is more beneficial than the Western European one is far larger than just straight white conservative males.
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Apr 4 2022 05:37pm
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This is how people like putin or others maintained their power: controlling medias, propaganda, etc... Something you seems to approve, your values are disgusting.


exactly. it's shocking how many people don't get that simple concept. the likes of putin, orban, kim... they don't even HAVE to outright cheat in their elections. they might still do that, but it's perfectly imaginable that they could all get solid "majorities" without interfering with the voting process itself.

to conclude from that, however, that the elections were therefore "fair" and "democratic", is absolutely idiotic. while hungary's current media monopoly and state propaganda isn't quite as old as russia's for example or as strict and all-encompassing as china's or north korea's, it's still clearly un-democratic, and concerningly uniform, certainly for an EU member.

i just wish orban would finally make true on his "threats" of leaving the union - but we all know that he's just performing an act for his stupid supporters (domestic and international) and that hungary would be significantly worse off without the billions they receive from the free democracies they constantly talk shit about. without EU money and market protections, hungary would be in for a real shocking economic surprise, and orban would lose his power faster than he can gather his corrupt wealth and flee the country...
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Apr 4 2022 05:47pm
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exactly. it's shocking how many people don't get that simple concept. the likes of putin, orban, kim... they don't even HAVE to outright cheat in their elections. they might still do that, but it's perfectly imaginable that they could all get solid "majorities" without interfering with the voting process itself.

to conclude from that, however, that the elections were therefore "fair" and "democratic", is absolutely idiotic. while hungary's current media monopoly and state propaganda isn't quite as old as russia's for example or as strict and all-encompassing as china's or north korea's, it's still clearly un-democratic, and concerningly uniform, certainly for an EU member.

i just wish orban would finally make true on his "threats" of leaving the union - but we all know that he's just performing an act for his stupid supporters (domestic and international) and that hungary would be significantly worse off without the billions they receive from the free democracies they constantly talk shit about. without EU money and market protections, hungary would be in for a real shocking economic surprise, and orban would lose his power faster than he can gather his corrupt wealth and flee the country...


In France we have regulations on campaigns budgets and time allocated on TV, radio, and alot of checks against corruption.
Hugary is rotten. Btw Orban is a real threat. Right wing only see here a "sign of strength", sounds like they love to end up as cannon food. I wish them the best.

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This is how people like putin or others maintained their power: controlling medias, propaganda, etc... Something you seems to approve, your values are disgusting.


get out of your sinkhole and travel a bit, that will change your perspective

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 5 2022 01:17am)
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Orban/Hungary is indeed corrupt as fuck, far more corrupt than Germany or France. The thing is just that we all know that this is not the main reason why our media and the eurocrats in Brussels hate Orban so much - it's because he resisted their plans to flood Europe with muslims.


indeed, agreed on the reasons for the orban hate

but i am still tired of talking about other countries when we have a parliament of bought shills, who make money with mask deals and vaccinations, a chancellor who robbed the taxpayer of dozens of billions and then lost his memory

clean your own mess first before shitting on others

Quote (fender @ Apr 5 2022 01:19am)
oh it sure is "free and safe" if you're a white, straight, christian-conservative male. for the rest, not so much though.

this, ampootin, is the core difference between us: you can only look at things from your own, narrow-minded, personal perspective. you have no empathy, understanding, or even interest in thinking about how other groups, minorities, less privileged people are treated and represented - you don't care about the future of the planet (your climate change denial proves that), you don't care about your fellow citizens (covid made that clear), all you care about is you - your taxes, your feelings, your political, religious, and cultural views - you think the earth revolves around you. news flash: it doesn't, and fortunately most people came to that realisation at some point in their lives.

hungary is not a free country by any stretch of the imagination. it's not china or russia, or even north korea, but it's also not an open democracy like germany for example. you can bitch and moan about it, because you happen to agree with their authoritarian leader on cultural issues, but that doesn't change the facts.

https://rsf.org/en/germany

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i love your projections, this whole paragraph is literally YOU

deal with it, your stupid woke opinions are a tiny minority in this world, the rest of the world does not want to live like you, be toxic like you, be lectured by you or saved by you

nobody wants your moral imperialism, everything you do here is just to feel better about yourself

the world has literally never been better, safer and with more opportunity than ever before, actual privilege has mostly vanished

if you actually were something resembling a productive human being you would care about your taxes too

i was a die hard leftie as a teenager, but that changed real quick when the first self earned payroll arrived, how about trying that out :rofl:

the future of the planet is going forward and not backward like you buddy, have fun being left behind and using horses and mules again

and hungary is still a free country with free elections and the people let their will known, deal with it

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Apr 4 2022 05:55pm
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i love your projections, this whole paragraph is literally YOU

deal with it, your stupid woke opinions are a tiny minority in this world, the rest of the world does not want to live like you, be toxic like you, be lectured by you or saved by you

nobody wants your moral imperialism, everything you do here is just to feel better about yourself

the world has literally never been better, safer and with more opportunity than ever before, actual privilege has mostly vanished

if you actually were something resembling a productive human being you would care about your taxes too

i was a die hard leftie as a teenager, but that changed real quick when the first self earned payroll arrived, how about trying that out :rofl:

the future of the planet is going forward and not backward like you buddy, have fun being left behind and using horses and mules again

and hungary is still a free country with free elections and the people let their will known, deal with it

will be great to return in the upcoming summer


The Chinese call them baizuo. I love it :banana:

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Apr 4 2022 05:56pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 5 Apr 2022 00:50)
indeed, agreed on the reasons for the orban hate

but i am still tired of talking about other countries when we have a parliament of bought shills, who make money with mask deals and vaccinations, a chancellor who robbed the taxpayer of dozens of billions and then lost his memory

clean your own mess first before shitting on others


Well said. My favorite episode was still one of Merkel's minions giving an impassioned speech in parliament defending his mistresses most controversial policies before being appointed Justice of the German Supreme Court the next day, followed by German mainstream politicians and media blasting Poland's lack of an independent judiciary a few weeks later.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 4 2022 06:03pm
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Apr 4 2022 05:58pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 4 Apr 2022 23:50)
get out of your sinkhole and travel a bit, that will change your perspective



Corrupted like fuck and a billionaire who just bought Euronews in charge.


Pro-putin shitmulti has the whole knowledge btw.
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Apr 4 2022 06:00pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Apr 2022 01:28)
I'm pretty sure that the average women can more safely be out and about alone at night in Budapest than in Frankfurt or Paris. How many beheadings were there in Hungary in recent years, how many young women in Hungary were massacred by their own father or brothers for living a Western lifestyle, how many "incidents" with machetes were there in Hungarian trains or city centers?

I won't deny that life is probably better in Berlin than Budapest if you're gay or trans, but the range of persons for whom the Hungarian model is more beneficial than the Western European one is far larger than just straight white conservative males.


https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

germany: rank 11
hungary: rank 46

https://n26.com/en-eu/female-opportunity-index

germany: rank 5
hungary: rank 31

and let's not forget that in countries like hungary and poland for example, women's rights are under constant attack by conservatives trying to roll back time.

anyway, it was just another transparent deflection attempt by you anyway, trying to distract from my core argument about ampootin's incredibly selfish perspective about the alleged "freedom" in hungary. if you actually look at ANY rating, any reasonable way to objectively evaluate personal and economic freedom, you would see that hungary unsurprisingly ranks significantly lower than germany - but hey, i already know you hate actual facts and rather make baseless claims. i guess you just can't help it - when there's a conservative authoritarian to shill for, there's no claim too stupid, too absurdly wrong for you to make. you really have no shame, huh?
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Apr 4 2022 06:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 5 2022 01:56am)
Well said. My favorite episode was still one of Merkel's minions giving an impassioned speech in parliament defending his mistresses most controversial policies before being appointed Chief Justice of the German Supreme Court the next day, followed by German mainstream politicians and media blasting Poland's lack of an independent judiciary a few weeks later.


and then this "court" starts making ridiculous decisions that get blasted by former members of the same court and acclaimed law experts, what a coincidence

or it makes no decisions like stalling the people fighting against the illegal covid mandates for months without responding

i asked fenders opinion on these facts multiple times, dodged every single time ^_^
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