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Quote (YeeHaw @ Nov 15 2023 08:59pm)
I must have missed the individual Twitter posts for all the innocent people who were slaughtered and raped by Hamas on October 7.


How many?
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no one cares for the bullshit comments that Palestinians are not being forced out of their homes, its a fact.


Is anyone denying they are forced out of their homes? Not calling you a liar but I haven't kept track of the whole thread but I doubt anyone would deny a forced displacement of the palestinian population did take place in the past and continues to take place on a smaller scale
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Do you agree or disagree that Al-Shifa hospital was being used by Hamas as a military site?

Do you agree or disagree that Hamas routinely uses ambulances, as well as other tactics, as a means of deception when attacking Israeli positions?
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Nov 15 2023 10:11pm
Quote (ferdia @ 15 Nov 2023 18:07)
I love it when people are called Pigeon's in this subforum.

Domesticated pigeons were used to carry messages as messenger pigeons. They are usually referred to as "pigeon post" if used in post service, or "war pigeon" during wars. Until the introduction of telephones, homing pigeons were used commercially to deliver communication.

in this regard he is delivering you sold facts. dont blame the Pigeon, or what it brings.


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Nov 15 2023 11:28pm
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They are using ambulances to move around
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Nov 16 2023 12:07am

Biden's pro-Israeli stance contested from within the US federal government

Internal memos, notably from State Department diplomats, asked the American president to call for a ceasefire in Gaza and to be more critical of Israel.


Every week brings a new domestic challenge. Within the Biden administration and the federal government, a heated debate is developing over American support for Israel. Initially ardent and unconditional after the October 7 attack by Hamas, the administration's position has subsequently had to take into account, at least in diplomatic terms, the disastrous impact of the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip and the appalling human toll. The White House came to realize, belatedly, that America's credibility in the region had been damaged by the war crimes attributed to Israel. But this stance also caused tension in Washington itself.

The first outburst came from an American diplomat, Josh Paul, working in the State Department's Bureau of Political-Military Affairs. After 11 years of service, he decided to resign on October 18 to speak out against the delivery of additional weapons to Israel, as part of a policy that he considered "shortsighted, destructive, unjust and contradictory to the very values we publicly espouse." He explained his departure publicly, in a text published on LinkedIn.

A few weeks later, Politico revealed the existence of a sensitive but unclassified memo written by other diplomats, whose number and identities are unknown. The memo recommended greater American vigilance with regard to the military operation in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. "We must publicly criticize Israel's violations of international norms such as failure to limit offensive operations to legitimate military targets," the memo said. "When Israel supports settler violence and illegal land seizures or employs excessive use of force against Palestinians, we must communicate publicly that this goes against our American values so that Israel does not act with impunity."

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/15/biden-s-pro-israeli-stance-contested-from-within-the-us-federal-government_6258213_4.html

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Biden's pro-Israeli stance contested from within the US federal government

Internal memos, notably from State Department diplomats, asked the American president to call for a ceasefire in Gaza and to be more critical of Israel.


Every week brings a new domestic challenge. Within the Biden administration and the federal government, a heated debate is developing over American support for Israel. Initially ardent and unconditional after the October 7 attack by Hamas, the administration's position has subsequently had to take into account, at least in diplomatic terms, the disastrous impact of the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip and the appalling human toll. The White House came to realize, belatedly, that America's credibility in the region had been damaged by the war crimes attributed to Israel. But this stance also caused tension in Washington itself.

The first outburst came from an American diplomat, Josh Paul, working in the State Department's Bureau of Political-Military Affairs. After 11 years of service, he decided to resign on October 18 to speak out against the delivery of additional weapons to Israel, as part of a policy that he considered "shortsighted, destructive, unjust and contradictory to the very values we publicly espouse." He explained his departure publicly, in a text published on LinkedIn.

A few weeks later, Politico revealed the existence of a sensitive but unclassified memo written by other diplomats, whose number and identities are unknown. The memo recommended greater American vigilance with regard to the military operation in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. "We must publicly criticize Israel's violations of international norms such as failure to limit offensive operations to legitimate military targets," the memo said. "When Israel supports settler violence and illegal land seizures or employs excessive use of force against Palestinians, we must communicate publicly that this goes against our American values so that Israel does not act with impunity."

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/15/biden-s-pro-israeli-stance-contested-from-within-the-us-federal-government_6258213_4.html

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They can condemn, they can ask for cease fire we are not going to stop until all the hostages are home and hamas is dismantled.
We are not going back to rocket attacks everytime they decide.
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Nov 16 2023 03:37am
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 16 2023 10:49am)
They can condemn, they can ask for cease fire we are not going to stop until all the hostages are home and hamas is dismantled.
We are not going back to rocket attacks everytime they decide.


Watching the worldwide support in Hamas’s actions disgust me.
supporting ceasefire without the return of ALL hostages is to support Hamas.
Supporting humanitarian aid without ANY humanitarian aid to the hostages (the Red Cross didn’t even visit them !!) is to support Hamas.

Disgusting.
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