Quote (Bazi @ Jul 8 2020 02:09pm)

do you mean older people who are needing to go to skilled or longer term facilities? I think it's a fair talking point no? I think the bigger talking point is what to do with members at these facilities who are showing symptoms and obviously not quarantined at said facilities

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 8 2020 02:04pm)

In a tent. We knew that nursing homes were extremely high risk based on the Seattle data. It was a very poor decision by Cuomo and their blood is on his hands.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 8 2020 11:31am)

Ok then if we are going to put people who can't care for themselves in a tent and ignore their dialysis, ignore their incontinence, not monitor insuline in people unable to do so, or people who are otherwise "keepalives" then why triage and provide treatment in the first place?

Your answer is make tents and turn them into skilled nursing facilities and send people to tent nursing homes? And health insurance are supposed to approve treatments provided in uncertified locations? Are locked tents good enough for being a locked unit?

If the answer is send them to tents then why treat them to begin with?

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 8 2020 02:40pm)

You're presenting a false dichotomy. The government would foot the bill with emergency funds. Anyway, not only did they kill the people who should have been in isolation...they fucking killed people who wouldn't have died otherwise. How is that not a monumental fucking failure? You had TWO 9/11's worth of deaths in the state due to this. TWO! And that's reported deaths. We're still retroactively finding out that people died of COVID months later.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 8 2020 11:45am)

Would they even have had time to build new or certify existing covid nursing homes?

DID YOU KNOW that since nursing homes get paid more for treating covid patients, up to $1000 a day from medicare for skilled nursing for up to 30 days a year, as opposed to the 280-310 a day for long-term care from medicaid, they were dumping their non-covid patients and getting as many covid recovering patients as possible?

There is more than meets the eye. Nursing homes are the most ruthless capitalist and they do unethical things all the time.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2020 01:28pm)

Regarding online learning: it's certainly the way to go for tertiary education, perhaps also for senior high stuff. But for everything below that, going fully remote is a bad idea.The interaction with peers that children experience at school is super important for the development of their social skills. It also serves to give children experience with people from different backgrounds. If children were all home-schooled, they'd mostly get into contact with their siblings and neighbors, which would exarbate socioeconomic echo chambers. Another factor to keep in mind: for immigrant children, school is super important to pick up the language and the culture/customs of the country.

Here in Germany, most teachers and education researchers came to the same conclusion: online learning during the shutdown (and beyond, some schools are still closed, and all of them remained closed longer than the shutdown lasted) was perfectly fine for kids from wealthy and educated households, their performance barely budged. But kids from poor or low-education German households saw a significant dropoff in their learning success, and for children from immigrant households, it was a total disaster. Now, the didactics and teaching materials weren't ready to go fully online, and teachers will eventually learn how to better reach the "weaker" students without physical presence. But the bottom line will definitely still be that those "weaker" students suffer the most from an end of in-person classes.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2020 11:50am)

An interesting read on Florida's covid response, particularly with regard to nursing homes:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronavirus-crisis-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19-strategy/

Note that it's from May, and focusing on elderly patients, so the recent spike in cases (which is taking place all aross the south and west, not just florida!) was still over a month away when that article was published.

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 8 2020 02:53pm)

Why would you need to certify during an emergency? The goal is to minimize the loss of life. If people were dying in these tents at a higher rate than COVID, then we could talk about that. Hell, they BUILT emergency hospital beds in tents and most weren't used. Why not place these people there for the time being? Instead, we had a massive, unnecessary loss of life. I'd understand the decision to let these people back in nursing homes if we were ignorant to the spread at the time. However, we KNEW for WEEKS that it spread like wildfire in nursing homes. That's the thing that really pisses me off. This was an act of extraordinary incompetence.