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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 12 2021 02:52pm)
Well, these toxic parts of the Democratic platform do indeed have a tangible and very real impact on average Americans. I find it intellectually dishonest to just brush aside all reservations about strangling regulations, climate policies fueling the cost of living, mass immigration putting pressure on wages and housing markets, government overspending triggering inflation and so on and forth. It's not convincing at all to assume that "all this other stuff" that full Democratic control would entail will be more than offset by the good parts of their economic agenda.


except that when given a potus with a mandate, to follow your "full control" metric, even though it's rare, they dont really push for "scary toxic PC gone wild" policies.

their messaging panders to their culturally diverse intersectional base, their policy is always a watered down approach to fairly centrist legislation.

the reaction is always so silly, Obama makes a silly choice to ban 1 single type of "armor piercing" ammunition and ar platform rifle sales go through the roof because the boogeyman is coming.... never came.

the simple truth is that any competent targeted criticism of the democrats policy, of which there is alot, does brush aside their PC messaging. unless one against CJ reform entirely, in which case they're just silly.

the closest we can get is to claim the PC attitude drives their policy against immigration reform, which in itself is an overhyped issue. im more concerned with cartels than immigrants, as we all should be.
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The United States is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.


which god?
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which god?


God like gender is a spectrum.
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God like gender is a spectrum.


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Quote (thesnipa @ 12 Aug 2021 22:15)
except that when given a potus with a mandate, to follow your "full control" metric, even though it's rare, they dont really push for "scary toxic PC gone wild" policies.

their messaging panders to their culturally diverse intersectional base, their policy is always a watered down approach to fairly centrist legislation.

the reaction is always so silly, Obama makes a silly choice to ban 1 single type of "armor piercing" ammunition and ar platform rifle sales go through the roof because the boogeyman is coming.... never came.

the simple truth is that any competent targeted criticism of the democrats policy, of which there is alot, does brush aside their PC messaging. unless one against CJ reform entirely, in which case they're just silly.

the closest we can get is to claim the PC attitude drives their policy against immigration reform, which in itself is an overhyped issue. im more concerned with cartels than immigrants, as we all should be.


You're deriving a lot of certainty in your assessment from a very small sample size. During the 90s, the Democrats had moved far to the right on economic policy, that was a totally different era and political environment. And a different Democratic party.

Since then, they had something resembling to full control for only 2 years. And even when looking at just the time since 2010, their stance on a lot of social, cultural and economic issues has zoomed to the left, there was a creeping political realignment (the "education gap" replacing the "income gap" as the main dividing line between the parties), the face of their base has changed drastically, as has the "power center" of the party. It is a huge stretch to infer from Obama using his strong mandate to push a watered down, moderate bill ten years ago that Democrats today would only push watered down, centrist legislation if given the chance.

On top of all of that, the bills proposed and/or already passed by the Biden administration during just its first 8 months contain government spending in excess of $5 trillion and would represent the largest expansion of statist policies since Johnson's Great Society. Not exactly what I would consider "watered down, moderate legislation".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 12 2021 03:38pm
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/cdc-says-over-90percent-of-us-counties-now-meet-its-covid-guidelines-for-indoor-masks.html

that “mission accomplished” victory lap back in May went over well huh. current administration has no control over the virus, and is lucky the Trump administration ordered so many vaccines before it concluded the term. unfortunately outreach and distribution, even with a successful playbook, was botched by the harris/biden admin. minorities and many white Americans have limited desire to take a vaccination that a racist administration said would eliminate the need for masks just 3 months ago.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/cdc-says-over-90percent-of-us-counties-now-meet-its-covid-guidelines-for-indoor-masks.html

that “mission accomplished” victory lap back in May went over well huh. current administration has no control over the virus, and is lucky the Trump administration ordered so many vaccines before it concluded the term. unfortunately outreach and distribution, even with a successful playbook, was botched by the harris/biden admin. minorities and many white Americans have limited desire to take a vaccination that a racist administration said would eliminate the need for masks just 3 months ago.


I mean, the rollout by the Biden admin was passive and left a lot to be desired, but let's not delude ourselves: if Trump hadn't politicized covid and mask-wearing to such an enormous degree, the issue would be a lot less politically toxic today and vaccine hesitancy would be a good chunk lower. :rolleyes:
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/cdc-says-over-90percent-of-us-counties-now-meet-its-covid-guidelines-for-indoor-masks.html

that “mission accomplished” victory lap back in May went over well huh. current administration has no control over the virus, and is lucky the Trump administration ordered so many vaccines before it concluded the term. unfortunately outreach and distribution, even with a successful playbook, was botched by the harris/biden admin. minorities and many white Americans have limited desire to take a vaccination that a racist administration said would eliminate the need for masks just 3 months ago.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 12 2021 05:49pm)
I mean, the rollout by the Biden admin was passive and left a lot to be desired, but let's not delude ourselves: if Trump hadn't politicized covid and mask-wearing to such an enormous degree, the issue would be a lot less politically toxic today and vaccine hesitancy would be a good chunk lower. :rolleyes:


Considering we have had a massive amount of extra vaccines for quite a while now, I'd say outreach and distribution were more than sufficient.

It is indeed the partisan divide that's causing the current waves, and that was almost exclusively caused by the previous administration.
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Considering we have had a massive amount of extra vaccines for quite a while now, I'd say outreach and distribution were more than sufficient.

It is indeed the partisan divide that's causing the current waves, and that was almost exclusively caused by the previous administration.


Neither of these statements is true. There are still plenty of groups who are discouraged from getting the jab due to various barriers like, for example, not being able to take the necessary time off. And there are still insufficient outreach efforts in deep blue, heavily non-white places. More broadly speaking, black vaccine hesitancy can be traced back to cruel and racist experiments conducted in the past. Blaming all of the country's covid woes on Trump is just as silly as downplaying Trump's contribution to the current mess.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 12 2021 03:53pm)
Considering we have had a massive amount of extra vaccines for quite a while now, I'd say outreach and distribution were more than sufficient.

It is indeed the partisan divide that's causing the current waves, and that was almost exclusively caused by the previous administration.


the "vaccine" never claimed to do any thing but lower the symptoms. turning the "vaxxed" into typhoid marys.

the fukn previous administration was pro vax you trumptard. all you "vaxxed" get that in your head you have a problem with trump yet he was pro "vax"
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