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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 12 2021 12:01pm)
the same issues come in when we shun societal wide uplifting public aid policies, and people who are solid middle class pretend they have nothing to gain from them because "i work 40+ hours a week". then go on to bitch about how the kid at Burger King gave them the wrong change back or got their order wrong. We breed a stupid society that plagues us all then pretend that a slight bump in taxes won't help anyone who pays them.


I travel lot and Americans are prob the dumbest people i've met. Don't get me wrong, lot of good folks i met on the road but, y'all average stupid as fuck. Literally obese kids everywhere showing how shit parents/grandparents y'all ancestors bred. You guys still haven't figured out free healthcare/good voting system yet you guys call yourself "The best country in za world"

Pronouns war, blm ...

I like you guys as south neighbor but i'm sure we'd do better with China down there or Arabs or some shit.

The show "The wire" had it right.

"Americans are a stupid people by and large; we pretty much believe whatever we're told", then Bunk's "The bigger the lie, the more they believe". aKa Covid/Blm/9-11 Keep up the GJ guys!

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I travel lot and Americans are prob the dumbest people i've met. Don't get me wrong, lot of good folks i met on the road but, y'all average stupid as fuck. Literally obese kids everywhere showing how shit parents/grandparents y'all ancestors bred. You guys still haven't figured out free healthcare/good voting system yet you guys call yourself "The best country in za world"

Pronouns war, blm ...

I like you guys as south neighbor but i'm sure we'd do better with China down there or Arabs or some shit.

The show "The wire" had it right.

"Americans are a stupid people by and large; we pretty much believe whatever we're told", then Bunk's "The bigger the lie, the more they believe". aKa Covid/Blm/9-11 Keep up the GJ guys!


America does suck, but our neighbors Canada and Mexico blow even harder. Your PM was dumb enough to think its alright to do 'blackface' in a post 2000 world and yall have some serious problems with the 'first nations' people. Moreso than the US at the moment. Most of the worth-while Canadians move to the US anyways, wonder why?

Trailer Park Boys and Hockey are the only pros I see.

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Aug 12 2021 12:12pm
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America does suck, but our neighbors Canada and Mexico blow even harder. Your PM was dumb enough to think its alright to do 'blackface' in a post 2000 world and yall have some serious problems with the 'first nations' people. Moreso than the US at the moment. Most of the worth-while Canadians move to the US anyways, wonder why?

Trailer Park Boys and Hockey are the only pros I see.


Letterkenny and Labatt Blue are top notch as well.
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Aug 12 2021 12:17pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Aug 2021 17:46)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/jd-vance-childless-left-culture-wars/619705/

It wouldn't be good for their political fortunes(at least in the Republican primary), but it would be better for America if the "common good" right-wing would prioritize policy that helps families over waging the culture war.

From a political, partisan perspective, proxy children voting rights via their parents are a silly proposition to begin with. The Democrats' political strength (and the GOP's woes) are not coming from "frigid, imperious cat ladies", they come from the liberal domination of the media, culture and institutions. Childless urbanites leaning heavily Democratic is a consequence of this cultural hegemony of the left, not its root cause.

Furthermore, I would tread very carefully on this issue if I was a ruthless Republican strategist. Does JD Vance not realize that Dem-leaning minorities and immigrants are much younger and have higher fertility rates than their own, aging and disproportionally white voter base? Even if childless yuppies are a deep blue demography in this day and age, I could still imagine this proposition to net more votes to Democrats than Republicans.



From a policy point of view, I consider this proposal to be inadequate and setting the wrong incentives. Low education, low income, low class people have more kids on average and these are the types of parents that would gain disproportionate amounts of voting power under such a rule. It would inevitably lead to dysgenic policies. The government should support and foster children and families with corresponding policies because that's the right thing to do from a human, moral and also economic point of view. These policies can and should be implemented anyway, we don't need to reallocate voting power for this end.

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Aug 12 2021 12:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 12 Aug 2021 18:01)
the same issues come in when we shun societal wide uplifting public aid policies, and people who are solid middle class pretend they have nothing to gain from them because "i work 40+ hours a week". then go on to bitch about how the kid at Burger King gave them the wrong change back or got their order wrong. We breed a stupid society that plagues us all then pretend that a slight bump in taxes won't help anyone who pays them.

I think the problem is less that these Republican-voting people do not want a solid social safety net and proper investment into children and families - the issue is that these voters do not trust Democrats with implementing such policies and expect to end up with higher taxes and no personal benefit.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 12 Aug 2021 19:10)
Wish the government would move towards a federally mandated/protected/subsidized(if needed) maternity leave program. My wife was fortunate to get an unintended pandemic created maternity leave since she was laid-off and has not returned to work. Been fun/stressful watching her navigate conversations about work, some people look at the situation as she is lazy and a welfare freeloader. Others think its great a middle-class mother is able to spend time with her newborn. If Republicans are as pro-family as they claim, they should promote welfare of children and the family unit. That starts with the mother/father having 6month-2 years of time to raise the child before the system begins to fuck it up. I bet the "childless left" would have more children if our government promoted the family unit.

Arent't the United States the only first world country without paid maternity leave?

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Wish the government would move towards a federally mandated/protected/subsidized(if needed) maternity leave program. My wife was fortunate to get an unintended pandemic created maternity leave since she was laid-off and has not returned to work. Been fun/stressful watching her navigate conversations about work, some people look at the situation as she is lazy and a welfare freeloader. Others think its great a middle-class mother is able to spend time with her newborn. If Republicans are as pro-family as they claim, they should promote welfare of children and the family unit. That starts with the mother/father having 6month-2 years of time to raise the child before the system begins to fuck it up. I bet the "childless left" would have more children if our government promoted the family unit.


We've seen traction on that. Mitt Romney, to his credit, has been pushing credits to subsidize children. As the Republican party continues to moderate fiscally, I expect we'll see a stronger push towards family friendly policy.

I'm not sure 2 years of state support per child is feasible, but a year shared between both parents would be a good step.
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Aug 12 2021 12:25pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Aug 12 2021 02:04pm)
America does suck, but our neighbors Canada and Mexico blow even harder. Your PM was dumb enough to think its alright to do 'blackface' in a post 2000 world and yall have some serious problems with the 'first nations' people. Moreso than the US at the moment. Most of the worth-while Canadians move to the US anyways, wonder why?

Trailer Park Boys and Hockey are the only pros I see.


Remove our shit PM.

Does Canada bring more results on the world stage outside y'all military which literally bankrupted you guys for centuries to come.

A yes or no question.
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Aug 12 2021 12:26pm
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Remove our shit PM.

Does Canada bring more results on the world stage outside y'all military which literally bankrupted you guys for centuries to come.

A yes or no question.


Absolutely not.
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Aug 12 2021 12:27pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 12 Aug 2021 20:21)
We've seen traction on that. Mitt Romney, to his credit, has been pushing credits to subsidize children. As the Republican party continues to moderate fiscally, I expect we'll see a stronger push towards family friendly policy.

I'm not sure 2 years of state support per child is feasible, but a year shared between both parents would be a good step.


Yes, 1 year should be enough for most families and would be a big step forward for American parents.

Regarding the more general topic of "investing into families":
Didn't Biden's first stimulus package include child tax credits which have such low barriers that they effectively act as child allowance? And aren't similar provisions part of the infrastructure package that's currently being negotiated? (Not sure if it's in the $1 trillion bipartisan bill or the larger, $3+ trillion bill that Dems want to pass via reconciliation.)
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Aug 12 2021 12:28pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 12 2021 02:26pm)
Absolutely not.


That's CNN brainwashing for you.

You guys are like North Korea where you believe MSM/Gov 200%.

Except all your leaders are like Kim where they are always the lord and saviors HECK some stupid fucks believe Biden is a great president lol. That's how disconnected some people are.

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