Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Aug 23 2022 07:13pm)
Sure let's have an honest conversation about second amendment, but keep in mind im not from the US and may see things differently.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The amendments were created in 1789. I think that things were really different back then.
To put it in perspective, phones were invented in 1876. So it was a while back. No security cameras, no way to track down people by license number etc etc.
So it was quite obvious why EVERYONE needed a gun to protect themselves.
In theory, yes second amendment makes sense to also promote a free state. I agree with that. HOWEVER (and that's a big one), there are lots of negative side effects.
Firstly there are alot of sick people out there that could go on a killing spree which evidently happens alot in the US.
Secondly the issue I see with free state and guns is that US military is no fucking joke. If they see they may be harmed they'll turn you into a cheese with lots of bullet holes.
I am all for protesting peacefully if the state is doing something wrong and we have tons of examples where this worked.
The only way to protest is literally with peace where the police/military don't feel threatened because if they do they won't hold back to kill you immediately and nobody can do anything about it.
For these reasons I believe society is better off without guns and that 2nd amendment is not the solution.
PS: People need to know that the "founding fathers" are not the founding titans from attack on titans. They are not all knowing. They agreed on something that seemed right at that time. Maybe it doesnt hold that well in todays day and age.
PS-2: I am really trying to have a normal conversation with you ;) Lets see how that goes
this is why 2nd amendment. the founding fathers hated tyranny. just because australia hasnt experienced the full effects. never the less the historical record of gun grabber nations crystal clear.
BTW we dont have a conversation. i post things and you ignore them then you re assert your argument.
Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered
Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered
Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered
Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered
Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered
Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered
Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered
"Firstly there are alot of sick people out there that could go on a killing spree which evidently happens alot in the US."
(ya no chit, they are lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC thats why cops just stand there and stare at them. The DNC the same people on the gungrabbing mission. Same people that want to jab all the kids. ? didnt that happen in australia? people is some city were told to turn their kids over to a sports stadium and benevolent government jabbed them all. you beginning to realize the jabs are bad news? yet?