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Aug 23 2022 09:52pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ 24 Aug 2022 13:36)
The minimum age for many firearms and ammunition is already 21. Many, many types of firearms are banned already, even in Texas (which is the example everybody likes to use).

Background checks are pretty extensive. You have to have a squeaky clean record to legally purchase a firearm. The only argument over background checks relate to private sales. When it comes to private sales, the seller is responsible for who they sell to. If they sell to somebody who would fail a background check they committed a felony.

Almost every state has waiting periods.

Your “common sense” laws are already laws dude. Like I said, “common sense gun laws” is simply innuendo for “ban 5.56 rifles”. I mean there is nothing to argue about when you don’t even know what it is you are arguing about.


Min age info is here:
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/

also under current federal law there is no mandatory waiting period for the purchase of guns. If sold from a federally licensed dealer a gun can be transferred before a proper background check is done. ALSOOOOO the laws do not apply to private dealers in states that do not require universal background checks.

So obviously enough loopholes to make everything possible...
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Min age info is here:
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/

also under current federal law there is no mandatory waiting period for the purchase of guns. If sold from a federally licensed dealer a gun can be transferred before a proper background check is done. ALSOOOOO the laws do not apply to private dealers in states that do not require universal background checks.

So obviously enough loopholes to make everything possible...



Exactly how I described it.

I don’t understand what you mean by loophole unless your idea is nobody should get a gun.

Or do you mean nobody under the age of 21 can get any gun without a background check? I don’t get it. Your argument is based on arbitrary ideas of when somebody is mature enough to own a gun? Would raising the age to 21 for every type of gun stop violence?

What exactly is your position, just so I don’t have to guess.

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Aug 23 2022 10:25pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ 24 Aug 2022 14:20)
Exactly how I described it.


well that's a bad system then.
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Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Aug 23 2022 11:25pm)
well that's a bad system then.



So what exactly is your solution?
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Aug 23 2022 10:35pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ 24 Aug 2022 14:25)
So what exactly is your solution?


You want me to fix US gun problem on the fly?

hmmm let me think. Removing guns from the community is impossible so:

1. Mandatory waiting period
2. 21+ min age
3. Background check for all

no loopholes.

I'd also add a mandatory gun license that people need to get before being able to buy one (maybe a 2 day course or something).
I mean, why not? It is deadly. But I know it would be hard to implement.

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Sure let's have an honest conversation about second amendment, but keep in mind im not from the US and may see things differently.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The amendments were created in 1789. I think that things were really different back then.
To put it in perspective, phones were invented in 1876. So it was a while back. No security cameras, no way to track down people by license number etc etc.

So it was quite obvious why EVERYONE needed a gun to protect themselves.

In theory, yes second amendment makes sense to also promote a free state. I agree with that. HOWEVER (and that's a big one), there are lots of negative side effects.

Firstly there are alot of sick people out there that could go on a killing spree which evidently happens alot in the US.

Secondly the issue I see with free state and guns is that US military is no fucking joke. If they see they may be harmed they'll turn you into a cheese with lots of bullet holes.

I am all for protesting peacefully if the state is doing something wrong and we have tons of examples where this worked.

The only way to protest is literally with peace where the police/military don't feel threatened because if they do they won't hold back to kill you immediately and nobody can do anything about it.

For these reasons I believe society is better off without guns and that 2nd amendment is not the solution.

PS: People need to know that the "founding fathers" are not the founding titans from attack on titans. They are not all knowing. They agreed on something that seemed right at that time. Maybe it doesnt hold that well in todays day and age.
PS-2: I am really trying to have a normal conversation with you ;) Lets see how that goes


this is why 2nd amendment. the founding fathers hated tyranny. just because australia hasnt experienced the full effects. never the less the historical record of gun grabber nations crystal clear.
BTW we dont have a conversation. i post things and you ignore them then you re assert your argument.

Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered



"Firstly there are alot of sick people out there that could go on a killing spree which evidently happens alot in the US."
(ya no chit, they are lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC thats why cops just stand there and stare at them. The DNC the same people on the gungrabbing mission. Same people that want to jab all the kids. ? didnt that happen in australia? people is some city were told to turn their kids over to a sports stadium and benevolent government jabbed them all. you beginning to realize the jabs are bad news? yet?




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Quote (TiStuff @ 24 Aug 2022 14:43)
this is why 2nd amendment. the founding fathers hated tyranny. just because australia hasnt experienced the full effects. never the less the historical record of gun grabber nations crystal clear.
BTW we dont have a conversation. i post things and you ignore them then you re assert your argument.

Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered



"Firstly there are alot of sick people out there that could go on a killing spree which evidently happens alot in the US."
(ya no chit, they are lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC thats why cops just stand there and stare at them. The DNC the same people on the gungrabbing mission. Same people that want to jab all the kids. ? didnt that happen in australia? people is some city were told to turn their kids over to a sports stadium and benevolent government jabbed them all. you beginning to realize the jabs are bad news? yet?


You keep mixing some facts with bullchit and verbal diarrhea and expect us to have a conversation? Also I start to doubt we are talking about the same Australia.

Noone is trying to grab your gun so calm the f down.

"lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC" ok sure... all lefties are murderers... Thanks god we have the honest religious right to keep the balance.

Somehow you went from 2nd amendment to atheists to jabs... great conversation bro. Pls continue your monologue. :bonk:
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Aug 23 2022 11:34pm
Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Aug 23 2022 10:26pm)
You keep mixing some facts with bullchit and verbal diarrhea and expect us to have a conversation? Also I start to doubt we are talking about the same Australia.

Noone is trying to grab your gun so calm the f down.

"lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC" ok sure... all lefties are murderers... Thanks god we have the honest religious right to keep the balance.

Somehow you went from 2nd amendment to atheists to jabs... great conversation bro. Pls continue your monologue. :bonk:


atheism always seem to default to communism ..............make your excuses


Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered
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Aug 24 2022 03:59am
Quote (TiStuff @ 24 Aug 2022 15:34)
atheism always seem to default to communism ..............make your excuses


Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered


Haha atheists for the win biatch

This post was edited by FantasyWorldII on Aug 24 2022 03:59am
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Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Aug 24 2022 12:26am)
You keep mixing some facts with bullchit and verbal diarrhea and expect us to have a conversation? Also I start to doubt we are talking about the same Australia.

Noone is trying to grab your gun so calm the f down.

"lefties Burning Looting and Murdering and they work for the DNC" ok sure... all lefties are murderers... Thanks god we have the honest religious right to keep the balance.

Somehow you went from 2nd amendment to atheists to jabs... great conversation bro. Pls continue your monologue. :bonk:


Wrong, they want our guns so bad, they shoot kids in schools.
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