Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 9 2020 03:17pm)

Trump's healthcare "plan", consisted of...
removing waste and fraud
reversing the opioid epidemic
removing the individual mandate

it's not truly a "plan" as both of you have stated, but there has been progression on his agenda.

-individual mandate is gone and deemed unconstitutional by recent court decisions.
-DHS's OIG has been constantly rolling out audits of numerous branches of the medical complex.
-the opioid issue has actually been addressed. it wasn't too long ago that they brought down a ring spanning like 13 states (the exact number eludes me, but i could find it quick)(pretty sure was one of the last posts in the DHS thread i made)

Trump doesn't have a healthcare plan for the future as far as i'm aware, he'll have to think this up pretty soon i imagine.
he does have a healthcare agenda though, and that's to see where we actually are on healthcare now.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 9 2020 04:29pm)

healthcare costs are one of the leading cause of homelessness. you can tell where we are from that alone.

we have a great quality of care due to our advanced technology and from competitive forces, but economically its not a great system. we overpay compared to all other industrialized nations.

specifically the "waste and fraud" goal is just lip service tho, its just something you say and not an actual plan.

If i was a trump supporter i certainly wouldnt consider healthcare as a promise even remotely kept. Immigration he's made movement on, trade with china, even the world "respecting us" in many senses. but healthcare is a big old meh, and that imo is due to his lack of a plan. same goes for veterans programs which Trump vaguely winked at but didnt deliver on. i also think this is due to it being hard to make small changes in a system as large and complicated as healthcare. you either need to overhaul it or let it be.

Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 9 2020 04:51pm)

i'm not trying to defend much here as again, it's not a plan. to me these are just basics that should be done regardless who is in power. they weren't though until Trump took office. (at such a rate)

Trump removed the individual mandate. that's what i cared about personally.
i was being fined every year just for "not" having healthcare.

anyway i just made a pop-in, so maybe i was missing some context. back to the thread topic though...
starts @ 41:10 (50:45...59:25...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfwbD5zzJcg

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 9 2020 05:34pm)

There are some major negative changes coming to health care this year.

Expect degree inflation and increased costs for occupational and physical therapy. The post acute world is getting to be a really weird place as well.

The cost of medications keep going up for some reason.

We still have universal health care but not universal health Insurance and that is very very expensive.

I'm currently plotting my move out of the hospital. It's very stressful for example I've been pissed off since I woke up Monday.

If I can give you one piece of advice about American health care it is never trust a rehab facility or a nursing home.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 9 2020 07:51pm)

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation

WHOOPS!

Looks like there is plenty of evidence that the Iranian government shot down a plane carrying mostly Iranian people.

Bad news bears for the mullahs.

I know Khomeini will die before me, very likely, due to our comparative ages...but it would be nice to see the Iranian people put his regressive head on a pike.

The Islamic World needs a revolution as thorough as the French to free themselves.

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No American paid a price for President Donald Trump’s decision to kill Iran’s Qassem Soleimani. But it looks like 176 other people did, including 63 Canadian citizens and many more Iranian nationals en route to Canada.

As of mid-day today, a horrible new chapter of the story has been posted for all to see. Iran retaliated for the killing by firing a barrage of weapons at bases inside Iraq. That barrage did little harm. The Iranians may not have known that when, two hours later, they perceived a large moving object in their skies. It seems they fired anti-aircraft missiles and brought down a civilian airliner, killing all aboard.

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Soleimani abundantly deserved to die a violent death. The 176 innocents he took with him did not. President George W. Bush and President Barack Obama both flinched from doing justice to Soleimani, because they asked, “And what will happen next?” Trump did not ask that question. Families across half the world are now grieving a consequence that Trump’s ego forbade him to imagine or ponder.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 9 2020 07:40pm)

You're behind the curve here Skinned.
The latest news is that even though we're sure Iran shot down the plane now, we're also sure that its still Trump's fault.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/were-just-discovering-price-killing-soleimani/604705/



Perhaps Nancy Pelosi will draft new articles of impeachment for Trump's criminal actions resulting in the deaths of 63 Canadians and 113 'others'?

Quote (thundercock @ Jan 9 2020 09:47pm)

Trump is partially to blame because he started the domino effect. That does not absolve Iran in any way.

Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Jan 2020 23:44)

Sorry no. Iran bears no responsibility for actions they were forced into against their will by a raving madman who violated every law of war and rule of engagement and constitutional limit on his powers to assassinate a peaceful and esteemed bureaucrat. How was Iran supposed to act when they were backed into a corner by a dictator literally threatening war crimes against them? Trump created the circumstances, set in motion the domino effect, he forced this upon them and he is thereby responsible for the entirety of the consequences. Its only a bunch of islamophobic bigots who are trying to blame Iran, but lets be clear: Iran never did anything intentionally wrong. They made a mistake, but Trump committed a willful crime against humanity.

"War crimes leading to the death of 63 Canadian citizens and some other brown people" sounds like an impeachable offense.