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Jan 24 2026 02:58pm
This thread really is a warren of hate.
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Jan 24 2026 03:18pm
The videos are a bit blurry, but this is the relevant frame (the suspect is the guy on the ground in the shadows; not the ice agent to his left who has clearly drawn his gun):
https://i.imgur.com/CVUBDIT.jpeg
What is the thing in his hand which he had just pulled out from his belt/hip in the middle of a melee? It seems perfectly plausible to me that he had indeed tried to pull his gun. Without clear video evidence, all sides will stick to the narrative they want to believe in, though.
The bigger issue imho is how 6 grown-ass agents weren't able to bring a single person under control. The whole scene was messy and inept and reeks of a lack of proper training. Even if the suspect truly grabbed his gun and created a legitimate self-defense situation for the agents, this whole scene was still a major fuckup by ICE. It should never have even come to this to begin with.


Well it looked to me like they had him reasonably restrained up to a point and had tackled and were holding him, then 'something', then a bunch of people shouting 'gun', one officer clearly letting go and backing off, the guy getting upright as the shots are fired.
The reasonable conclusion, though not proven at this stage, is that they were reacting to him getting his gun drawn and would have been able to restrain him otherwise.
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Jan 24 2026 03:20pm
The videos are a bit blurry, but this is the relevant frame (the suspect is the guy on the ground in the shadows; not the ice agent to his left who has clearly drawn his gun):

https://i.imgur.com/CVUBDIT.jpeg

What is the thing in his hand which he had just pulled out from his belt/hip in the middle of a melee? It seems perfectly plausible to me that he had indeed tried to pull his gun. Without clear video evidence, all sides will stick to the narrative they want to believe in, though.

The bigger issue imho is how 6 grown-ass agents weren't able to bring a single person under control. The whole scene was messy and inept and reeks of a lack of proper training. Even if the suspect truly grabbed his gun and created a legitimate self-defense situation for the agents, this whole scene was still a major fuckup by ICE. It should never have even come to this to begin with.


Didn't he have a camera in his hands the entier time from the start. It looks like he tries to pocket his camera in his front jacket pocket presumably to free he other hand since he just got sprayed to the face. My natural reaction as well would be to get rid of what's in that hand to wither brace myself from smashing pavement or wipe my face. And for good reason he would want to protect that camera if that's what it was that he was holding at the start before he even ended up getting sprayed.

It most certainly appears to just be a straight up killing of an American citizen while 6 ice agents hold him down.

Oh yeah after watching a few more times he's definitely just pocketing his little GoPro or whatever was in that hand that he appeared to be filming with.

Edit : there's good photos of what he had. Cell phone, just couldn't tell in the blury video if it was a GoPro or cell but the clear photos show cell phone. Sure looks like he's trying to shove that in his front pocket which seems pretty natural when you're pepper sprayed in the face and being shoved into concrete.

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Jan 24 2026 03:32pm
Didn't he have a camera in his hands the entier time from the start. It looks like he tries to pocket his camera in his front jacket pocket presumably to free he other hand since he just got sprayed to the face. My natural reaction as well would be to get rid of what's in that hand to wither brace myself from smashing pavement or wipe my face. And for good reason he would want to protect that camera if that's what it was that he was holding at the start before he even ended up getting sprayed.

It most certainly appears to just be a straight up killing of an American citizen while 6 ice agents hold him down.

Oh yeah after watching a few more times he's definitely just pocketing his little GoPro or whatever was in that hand that he appeared to be filming with.


His motion is one of drawing an object from the hip, rather one of trying to put the object down.


Well it looked to me like they had him reasonably restrained up to a point and had tackled and were holding him, then 'something', then a bunch of people shouting 'gun', one officer clearly letting go and backing off, the guy getting upright as the shots are fired.
The reasonable conclusion, though not proven at this stage, is that they were reacting to him getting his gun drawn and would have been able to restrain him otherwise.


They can't have reasonably restrained him if he was able to pull his gun or toy around with a camera or whatever. And the scene had been going on for far too long at that point, considering it was 6v1.
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Jan 24 2026 03:36pm
His motion is one of drawing an object from the hip, rather one of trying to put the object down.




They can't have reasonably restrained him if he was able to pull his gun or toy around with a camera or whatever. And the scene had been going on for far too long at that point, considering it was 6v1.


I don't see what you are talking about at all. As a person who lives in winter jackets all year it sure just looks like he's trying to unzip his front pocket so he can toss in his phone. I legit don't see any drawing motions at all. What seconds of that video I posted are you referencing?

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Jan 24 2026 03:38pm
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Jan 24 2026 03:40pm
Apparently he had a gun on him. If he showed any effort to reach for the gun then it's justified. Not saying he did (cant tell by the video).

Let me guess...white guy right? Notice there are few minorities out there fighting law enforcement? All these social justice warriors out here fighting law enforcement because they hate Trump. Getting yourself killed and the hispanics and other minorities just watching not even being involved 🙄
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Jan 24 2026 03:42pm
Apparently he had a gun on him. If he showed any effort to reach for the gun then it's justified. Not saying he did (cant tell by the video).

Let me guess...white guy right? Notice there are few minorities out there fighting law enforcement? All these social justice warriors out here fighting law enforcement because they hate Trump. Getting yourself killed and the hispanics and other minorities just watching not even being involved 🙄


I mean his legally carried firearm appears from the videos to have already been removed, then they shot him. Or so it appears on video.

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