Quote (Thor123422 @ 3 Feb 2024 21:51)
1. The misrepresentation is clear as day. 30k vs 11k.
2. He knew about the square footage. He had it built, lived there for like a decade, and is a real estate mogul. Square footage of your properties is the absolute most basic thing.
3. The fact every single mistake increased the value instead of decrease it paints a pattern of intent. Inferring intent is pretty easy when the facts are this clear and is the explicit job of the court.
4. The law does not require an injured party. The AG is explicitly empowered to go after repeated fraud.
5. Damages are not required. See 4.
Yeah I've debunked literally every point you've made. All of these are abundantly clear which is why liability was established by summary judgement.
1. LOL. It's a neat try. So now you've dropped the MAL assessment. You gave up on the attempt by the AG to dictate that MAL is only worth $16 million (that sounds like fraud right there). Now we're down to the Penthouse. So, a few minor facts for you: First, a penthouse suite in a high rise that has it's own roof access can use the roof for parties, storage, whatever else. That is USABLE square footage. It can INDEED be counted in the tally. But that's not even the biggest point. The #1 point is that Trump clearly didn't know the square footage of the Apartment. He gave constantly shifting answers to the press for decades. He does this when he has no idea, and wants to brag. The claim that he "misrepresented" the space on the apartment at all ONLY arises because he signed a document in 1994 approving some design or something. That document happened to have the square footage on it. Again, 17 years prior to the loan paperwork, he saw the square footage. MAYBE. MAYBE, like many successful businessman, he signed it and got back to work, taking no notice. But the best part about you outlining a footage dispute from a lesser property is that according to assessments, had it been 30K square feet instead of 11K square feet, the valuation difference is only ~$10-20 million. It would have had no impact on the interest figure provided by the banks, which is also irrelevant. Because the banks based their offer on their own valuation. It didn't matter what trump put on the form. At all.
2. Why would he know about the square footage of a 3 story penthouse apartment? That he had somebody else design and yet another somebody else build it is not under question. Why would he, personally, know or care about details like square footage? More importantly, why would he know or care about the square footage 17 years after the most recent time he'd seen anything that listed the square footage? You try to use the words "realestate mogul" like it has any bearing on a property he's had for decades and personally lived in and wasn't attempting to sell. He EMPLOYS PEOPLE whose job it is to know shit. And sometimes, as with the assessor, they know less than is to be expected. Again, billionaire businessman. With a cool penthouse in a big tower in NY.
3. What mistake increased what value? The banks all extended loans based on their own valuations. He was worth $2.4 billion. Where's the intent to commit fraud by listing what you think sounds correct? That's not how banking works.
4. There is no fraud. Nobody was defrauded. In order to prove he defrauded someone, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Those she claimed he defrauded all denied it. He has never been convicted of fraud criminally. And putting inaccurate information on a bank oan form is not fraud. This is why you need a victim. If there's no victim, there is no civil case.
5. Damages ARE required. See, this is the problem with everything you're saying. If nobody has been defrauded, and there are no damages, there's no basis whatsoever for a civil suit. Inaccurate information on a bank form is NOT fraud.
You've debunked nothing. All you've managed to do is talk yourself into a corner where everything boils down to, "You don't need an unlawful act for fraud, you don't need to prove intent to defraud, ignorance equals intent, you don't need anyone to be defrauded, and you don't need damages" and that's the most retarded thing. There are five REQUIRED elements of fraud. ALL elements MUST be met. Inaccuracies on loan applications are not fraud, sorry. The worst part is, once you get past the AG trying to claim a 300M-1B dollar property is worth $16 million, the fact that an ASSESSOR provided the assessment Trump provided with the loan application, all you're left with is the square footage of a penthouse. And the overall difference on total valuation from that change? ~10M. That would have had zero impact on interest rates, and was almost certainly given in ignorance.
By all means, keep it up though. It's interesting watching you attempt to justify the outright theft of $370 Million without any criminal conviction. I'm highly entertained.
