Don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re saying, however it’s a fairly simple answer. Trump supporters are going to stick with him, for the most part, for the same reason the left are going to vote for Biden, despite the fact that he’s a disaster of a presidential candidate. People want their side to win, so their sides agenda gets pushed, over the other sides agenda.

Biden isn't any kind of disaster lol

He's pretty bland.

When does an agenda's value no longer compensate for the long term damage caused by consistent thoughtless remarks on global platforms. I would think that those who were swing votes would be all leaning the other way this election.

I would think this election would be a blowout but looking back those comments saying Hillary would be certainly didn't age well.

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 30 2020 11:27am

i love joe biden's personality circa 2008 or so, and i even saw flashes of brilliance during the primary debates. but if you think he's anything but a bumbling sad shell of himself i dont know what to say.

its like a 50 year old ex-NFL player, they might not be a quadriplegic, but when you watch them limp to the podium in comparison to the 1,000 yard rushing season they had, its just sad.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 30 2020 11:30am

I think this is one of the biggest problems in American elections: each election is treated as an existential threat. Now that we actually have one, almost half the country is completely oblivious.

for millions without jobs, healthcare, homes they are. each and every one of them, and they only ever get to 'choose' (although, to be fair, those people are the same ones that get disenfranchised at the highest rate, so often enough they don't even have a vote, or it's simply worthless due to the shitty system) between shitty and even shittier.

That's not an existential threat to a country or ideology though. I should have been more specific.

Trump 2021 LOL

Maybe he should retweet the alien sperm doctor some more. That's gonna help his odds.




This. No matter how incompetent Trump might be, he still pushed the conservative agenda forward and prevented the liberal agenda from making progress for 4 years.




I've used the phrase before and I like it more and more: "Cold Civil War". The American society is deeply divided between two hostile camps of roughly equal strength which have irreconcilable ideologies and policy preferences, and the balance of power between the two has been hanging by a thread ever since the 2000 election. In every election since 2000, at least one side had to fear losing the Cold Civil War permanently if they lose the next election cycle.

Oh, btw, I actually disagree with the notion that this election is an existential threat. Biden isnt magically gonna make the coronavirus go away, he wont have a magic wand with which he can undo the economic and labor market devastations (which arent fully visible yet), he wont be able to magically make racial tensions or poverty or inequality disappear. And if he does indeed end up enabling lots of far-left lunacy from the AOC-wing of the party, he might actually open the door for a far worse backlash than 2016 was.




You've just described the difference between Fox News and OANN.




Like I said a month ago: he might be way past his prime, but I wouldnt mind a President Biden in his own right. I'm not afraid of the things Biden might do, I'm afraid of the things he might enable others to do. Precisely because he is a bumbling, declining old man do I have no confidence in his ability to stay in charge of the Democratic agenda and policies. My fear is not a strong President Biden, my fear is Biden becoming some sort of "cheerleader in chief" while Pelosi/Warren/AOC run the country.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 30 2020 03:32pm

I have to see him in debate to make this judgment, and not a reel made by people who dislike him. Either he will be able to talk inteligently about the issues or he won't. He was dynamite not that long ago.

The only reason we have geriatric candidates past their years of worth is because the Boomers decide everything. It's insane to me that people are not president when they're at the height of their power and instead when they're declining.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 30 2020 03:34pm