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Jul 21 2016 04:20pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jul 21 2016 06:18pm)
"If we have actionable intelligence, we should act."

"Meetings."

Yeah, those are definitely equally vague. :lol: Jesus H. Christ, I can't even imagine what's going on in your mind.


I don't think you can see the forest through the trees.

Quote (Pollster @ Jul 21 2016 06:19pm)
That's obviously a big "LOL yeah no." What's hilarious is that Faux and the rest of the Republican bubble-verse tried so hard to create this narrative that Obama wasn't up to the challenge of being president, and he just proved them wrong again and again and again, making them look completely foolish. My favorite example of course was Bill Reilly's very direct challenge in the 2008 interview: "you're not going to sent ground troops into Pakistan" (to go after Bin Laden), only for literally that exact situation to occur.

It's priceless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXzOjv_m9U


I don't like O'Reilly, personally.

Obama's move with Bin Laden was perfect. Shame they didn't get OBL alive though.

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Jul 21 2016 04:26pm
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I don't think you can see the forest through the trees.


Heyyyy, it's another pathetic non-argument because there's no defense of comparing Obama's very clear declaration that he was going to do exactly the thing he said with "Meetings."

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Jul 21 2016 04:27pm
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Obama's move with Bin Laden was perfect. Shame they didn't get OBL alive though.


That would have been glorious but I don't know if we could have ever pulled that off based on the compound that he was hiding in. The sheer risk involved, on top of the fact that they weren't even sure if that was even OBL in the first place, made several of them advise against a ground mission anyway. And then the first chopper crashing on top of it; I don't know what it would have taken to pull off an extraction on top of that.
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Jul 21 2016 04:30pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jul 21 2016 06:26pm)
Heyyyy, it's another pathetic non-argument because there's no defense of comparing Obama's very clear declaration that he was going to do exactly the thing he said with "Meetings."


Obama also promised to reduce drone use, but I don't hold it against him at all. Flexibility is more important.

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That would have been glorious but I don't know if we could have ever pulled that off based on the compound that he was hiding in. The sheer risk involved, on top of the fact that they weren't even sure if that was even OBL in the first place, made several of them advise against a ground mission anyway. And then the first chopper crashing on top of it; I don't know what it would have taken to pull off an extraction on top of that.


Its part of the reason why I believe the events so staunchly. Real plans rarely go completely smoothly.

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Jul 21 2016 04:31pm
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Obama also promised to reduce drone use, but I don't hold it against him at all. Flexibility is more important.


So you can't defend Trump's vague bullshit and you're this desperate to distract, eh? :(
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Jul 21 2016 04:57pm
The search for Osama bin Laden was stretched over two presidencies. In a background briefing for reporters in 2005 officials said that the identity was determined of the courier who ultimately led to bin Laden. That would place a key moment in the search back in the Bush administration. If you're going to award credit to someone it should go to the Navy Seals who planned out, coordinated & executed the mission, not the sitting POTUS who gave the 'go ahead'. Here is how former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld put it
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Credit belongs to the courageous special operators who executed the mission. ….All of this was made possible by the relentless, sustained pressure on al-Qaeda that the Bush administration initiated after 9/11 and that the Obama administration has wisely chosen to continue.
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Jul 21 2016 05:46pm
I really hope Trump really reamed and fired somebody for embarrassing his wife like this, to be 100% honest. It sucks.

The speech literally had Rick Ashley lyrics in it. "He is never going to give you up....never going to let you down...".

I feel bad for her now. It is too bad she doesn't have any real persuasive thing to say as to why her husband should be president.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Jul 21 2016 05:57pm)
The search for Osama bin Laden was stretched over two presidencies. In a background briefing for reporters in 2005 officials said that the identity was determined of the courier who ultimately led to bin Laden. That would place a key moment in the search back in the Bush administration. If you're going to award credit to someone it should go to the Navy Seals who planned out, coordinated & executed the mission, not the sitting POTUS who gave the 'go ahead'. Here is how former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld put it


Bush literally said that they quit looking for him and Obama ramped up the pressure. it is too bad you can't even give the man credit for killing America's enemies and keeping us safe.

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I really hope Trump really reamed and fired somebody for embarrassing his wife like this, to be 100% honest. It sucks.

The speech literally had Rick Ashley lyrics in it. "He is never going to give you up....never going to let you down...".

I feel bad for her now. It is too bad she doesn't have any real persuasive thing to say as to why her husband should be president.



Bush literally said that they quit looking for him and Obama ramped up the pressure. it is too bad you can't even give the man credit for killing America's enemies and keeping us safe.


If Osama Bin Laden was killed under a Republican president, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

But since Osama Bin Laden was killed under a Democratic president, it was a group effort.
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Jul 21 2016 06:21pm
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If Osama Bin Laden was killed under a Republican president, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

But since Osama Bin Laden was killed under a Democratic president, it was a group effort.


Its really the one point that Republicans can't knock him for.

Boom fuckin' headshot.
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Jul 21 2016 06:32pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 21 Jul 2016 19:21)
Its really the one point that Republicans can't knock him for.

Boom fuckin' headshot.


My point is that they won't knock him for it, but they won't really give him any credit for it, either.

Sad!
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