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It makes no sense to suggest that Gaza can be rebuilt and will turn the other cheek after father, mother, daughter, son, grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle, all dead. How does this massive loss of life not radicalize a people? I dont know what your position is re: "Is israel an apartheid state", but surely you can acknowledge that where the law is based on religion, with rules for thee but not for me, how in the world do you expect the oppressed masses (who will eventually outnumber the ruling elite) to just take it sitting down when there is a clear history of them not taking it sitting down. The leaders and soldiers of Hamas can be defeated but it makes no logical sense to believe that you can de-radicalize a people after doing what Israel has done for decades and continues to do, therefore Hamas will just reappear
agree entirely, the only way to truly defeat hamas is to provide economic support and a greater sense of equality. or in reality, self governance in truth. hand gaza to gazans and let them fail or succeed on their own. tbh the muslim world would flood in to support a free palestine with food, water, money, fuel, and probably a LOT of guns and bombs and rockets.
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so back to the original argument - there is no evidence to suggest that Israel is not taking more and more land from Palestinians in the westbank, and there is no evidence to suggest that israel is prepared to give equal rights to Palestinians. the leap in logic when viewed from this position - that Israel is going to send Palestinians on their way, from the river to the sea, is not so far fetched, when noting the one state solution will never work and they dont want to do a two state solution which would involve ceding land. no indeed, it looks more like they will keep the land and kick anyone off it, whether they like it or not. in my opinion.
its still a massive leap of logic. 2m people dont just disappear. and taking a block or two per year in the west bank doesnt change that. destroying the north of gaza city doesnt change that. if they cut the gaza strip in half it wouldnt change that. 2 m people dont disappear, and even the hard liners in israel understand this. even if they bombed them back to 1m people that just puts off the problem another 20 years before they double back to 2m, again.
there is nothing to suggest israel has any serious plans to eradicate and/or remove 2 million people from gaza. period. full stop. no evidence of that at all. and im very anti-israel. but there is nothing.
take more land? try and reduce population in gaza by some small %? move people further from the border? eventually over a century or so re-take all of jeruselum? sure. lots pointing to that. BUT, removing people from river to sea? no. get real.