Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 15 2023 04:06pm)
right, again nothing to disagree with here. what i disagreed with initially was the jump in logic between "israel calls for other nations to take in refugees" and "its clear israel wants river to sea empty of gazans". that's a massive leap of logic.
now that does NOT mean that certain people in power in israel dont secretly wish for that. of course some do. life would be far easier in israel if rockets werent fired at them and they didnt have to prepare to counter another october 7th. but logistically it's all but impossible to re-settle all of gaza. and asking people to take in refugees doesnt signal that desire is the long term plan at all logically. you simply can't repopulate 2+ million people by depending on the kindness of other nations. move out 10k, 50k, or even 100k? sure. over time. but 2m? never.
as to why muslim nations wont take refugees, its because they all have a pact not to. they want gazans right where they are. dying for the greater cause, and not starting trouble in their nations.
It makes no sense to suggest that Gaza can be rebuilt and will turn the other cheek after father, mother, daughter, son, grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle, all dead. How does this massive loss of life not radicalize a people? I dont know what your position is re: "Is israel an apartheid state", but surely you can acknowledge that where the law is based on religion, with rules for thee but not for me, how in the world do you expect the oppressed masses (who will eventually outnumber the ruling elite) to just take it sitting down when there is a clear history of them not taking it sitting down. The leaders and soldiers of Hamas can be defeated but it makes no logical sense to believe that you can de-radicalize a people after doing what Israel has done for decades and continues to do, therefore Hamas will just reappear, in my opinion.
so back to the original argument - there is no evidence to suggest that Israel is not taking more and more land from Palestinians in the westbank, and there is no evidence to suggest that israel is prepared to give equal rights to Palestinians. the leap in logic when viewed from this position - that Israel is going to send Palestinians on their way, from the river to the sea, is not so far fetched, when noting the one state solution will never work and they dont want to do a two state solution which would involve ceding land. no indeed, it looks more like they will keep the land and kick anyone off it, whether they like it or not. in my opinion.
This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2023 10:41am